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> If a union wants to negotiate, then you just move the manufacturing to a cheaper country. This is a disingenuous comment. Having a professional negotiation

> If a union wants to negotiate, then you just move the manufacturing to a cheaper country. This is a disingenuous comment. Having a professional negotiation negotiating with a HR representative on behalf of the worker does not force a company to move their offices abroad. Moreover, moving a company somewhere else entails a heavy cost that more often than not the company is unable to pay. I don't understand why people assume that the worker force has to bend over repeatedly and perpetually, particularly when we are faced with stagnant wages in a time of low unemployment. This clearly shows that the job market is being manipulated to serve the interests of these corporations, in a time where high-skilled workers remain peddling for cash and without any job security.

lotsofpulp 9y ago
I’m not assuming anything. The “heavy cost” you are referring to is obviously not heavy compared to paying US wages and cost of regulations. The proof is the fact that everything you pick up in your room will probably say Made in china and your shirt will say Made in bangladesh.
- emodendroket 9y ago
  It's not some law of nature though; that's the result of legal changes making it more appealing to offshore manufacturing.
sangnoir 9y ago
> I don't understand why people assume that the worker force has to bend over repeatedly and perpetually At first I was going to correct you and say "bend over backwards" - then I realized you got it exactly right. Some of the high-skilled workers - on hn no less - will say "I'm better off negotiating the angle at which I bend for myself"
kesselvon 9y ago
The workforce doesn't have to bend over, but there is an inequality in negotiations when the company threatens to ship the work to somewhere where they can pay workers a fraction, even if the quality will be shit. We don't exactly have a legal framework to prevent companies from doing this either

lotsofpulp 9y ago

I’m not assuming anything. The “heavy cost” you are referring to is obviously not heavy compared to paying US wages and cost of regulations. The proof is the fact that everything you pick up in your room will probably say Made in china and your shirt will say Made in bangladesh.

emodendroket 9y ago
It's not some law of nature though; that's the result of legal changes making it more appealing to offshore manufacturing.

sangnoir 9y ago

> I don't understand why people assume that the worker force has to bend over repeatedly and perpetually At first I was going to correct you and say "bend over backwards" - then I realized you got it exactly right. Some of the high-skilled workers - on hn no less - will say "I'm better off negotiating the angle at which I bend for myself"

kesselvon 9y ago

The workforce doesn't have to bend over, but there is an inequality in negotiations when the company threatens to ship the work to somewhere where they can pay workers a fraction, even if the quality will be shit. We don't exactly have a legal framework to prevent companies from doing this either