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According to their bios (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA

According to their bios (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. More anecdotally, I know at least three people with MBAs working in middle management there. Apple does a good job of maintaining a counterculture image while remaining a pretty average place to work. Of course, you could make the case that Apple is run by one person, and he didn't even graduate college.

billmcneale 16y ago
It's way below an average place to work: these past years, Apple hasn't made it in the top 100 places to work a single time. Not a single time. In the Top 100. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/fu...
- krevis 16y ago
  Those are the "top 100" of companies that were willing to submit detailed statistics to Fortune. It's by no means an impartial or complete sample. Nobody at Apple thinks it's worth the bother and loss of privacy. And I guarantee Apple isn't the only company that thinks that way.
- astrange 16y ago
  That's a strange list and I can't really see how I'd use it to choose somewhere to work. Would you enjoy getting a CS degree and then working at Men's Wearhouse rather than Apple?
  - joubert 16y ago
    You could come up with some cool inventory logistics algorithms. Eh, Thinking about it again, I'd rather work at Apple
  - maukdaddy 16y ago
    Do you get to regularly interact with the dude from the commercials with the creepy, yet soothing, voice?
- simonw 16y ago
  That's only "way below average" if you re-define average to mean "in the top 100".
- hmmmmmmm 16y ago
  My wife used to work for one of those 'top 100' companies, and now she works for a large company that is not in the list. The top 100 company was far more broken than her current employer in nearly every possible way.
Locke1689 16y ago
According to their bios (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure...
- lionhearted 16y ago
  > So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure... Actually, that is significant. I studied undergraduate business and I can tell right away the difference between an MBA-run business and non-MBA-run type business. People with MBA's have a broad base of case studies, so they know how to handle some eccentric but important situations pretty well, but they tend to like formality, business plans, marketing plans instead of "screw it, let's mess around and see what happens" - not sure what the ratio of MBA to non-MBA in Google management is, but Google seems very much like a non-MBA culture. In fact, their CEO Schmidt has degrees in engineering and computer science. They probably have MBA-type people running Adwords, though, you'd almost have to. Edit: chillingeffects.org and dataliberation.org are backed by Google, which is very much more a hacker ethos than an MBA ethos type move.
  - dtegart 16y ago
    I am not sure how many of the upper management have MBA's, but they do hire an awful lot into middle management. It is regularly at the top of the list for places new MBA's would like to work at.
wooster 16y ago
Except that's not true. Phil Schiller (Senior Vice President, Worldwide Product Marketing) has no MBA. So that's 7 out of 12 of the top execs who have no MBA or JD. (Also, most of my friends in management at Apple don't have MBAs. If they do get master's degrees, it's usually for the pay grade bump it gives. More anecdotally, I know at least 50 people in middle management at Apple without MBAs.)

billmcneale 16y ago

It's way below an average place to work: these past years, Apple hasn't made it in the top 100 places to work a single time. Not a single time. In the Top 100. http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2010/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2009/fu... http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/full_list/ http://money.cnn.com/magazines/fortune/bestcompanies/2008/fu...

krevis 16y ago
Those are the "top 100" of companies that were willing to submit detailed statistics to Fortune. It's by no means an impartial or complete sample. Nobody at Apple thinks it's worth the bother and loss of privacy. And I guarantee Apple isn't the only company that thinks that way.
astrange 16y ago
That's a strange list and I can't really see how I'd use it to choose somewhere to work. Would you enjoy getting a CS degree and then working at Men's Wearhouse rather than Apple?
- joubert 16y ago
  You could come up with some cool inventory logistics algorithms. Eh, Thinking about it again, I'd rather work at Apple
- maukdaddy 16y ago
  Do you get to regularly interact with the dude from the commercials with the creepy, yet soothing, voice?
simonw 16y ago
That's only "way below average" if you re-define average to mean "in the top 100".
hmmmmmmm 16y ago
My wife used to work for one of those 'top 100' companies, and now she works for a large company that is not in the list. The top 100 company was far more broken than her current employer in nearly every possible way.

Locke1689 16y ago

According to their bios (http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/ http://www.apple.com/pr/bios/), every senior exec who isn't doing hardware of software has either an MBA or a JD. So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure...

lionhearted 16y ago
> So everyone in the business management or legal side of Apple has an MBA or JD? Go figure... Actually, that is significant. I studied undergraduate business and I can tell right away the difference between an MBA-run business and non-MBA-run type business. People with MBA's have a broad base of case studies, so they know how to handle some eccentric but important situations pretty well, but they tend to like formality, business plans, marketing plans instead of "screw it, let's mess around and see what happens" - not sure what the ratio of MBA to non-MBA in Google management is, but Google seems very much like a non-MBA culture. In fact, their CEO Schmidt has degrees in engineering and computer science. They probably have MBA-type people running Adwords, though, you'd almost have to. Edit: chillingeffects.org and dataliberation.org are backed by Google, which is very much more a hacker ethos than an MBA ethos type move.
- dtegart 16y ago
  I am not sure how many of the upper management have MBA's, but they do hire an awful lot into middle management. It is regularly at the top of the list for places new MBA's would like to work at.

wooster 16y ago

Except that's not true. Phil Schiller (Senior Vice President, Worldwide Product Marketing) has no MBA. So that's 7 out of 12 of the top execs who have no MBA or JD. (Also, most of my friends in management at Apple don't have MBAs. If they do get master's degrees, it's usually for the pay grade bump it gives. More anecdotally, I know at least 50 people in middle management at Apple without MBAs.)