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There is a correlation between the % of Muslim population and # of acid attacks. This could be interpreted different ways (i.e. perhaps Muslims are being targe

There is a correlation between the % of Muslim population and # of acid attacks. This could be interpreted different ways (i.e. perhaps Muslims are being targeted by others?)... But to call someone's viewpoint alt-right dogwhistle because they bring up the other obvious possibility is close-minded and is what leads to these sorts of problems in the first place.

Latty 9y ago
> There is a correlation between the % of Muslim population and # of acid attacks. I haven't seen that stated, let alone proven - can you back up that statement?
- BanMeAndWin 9y ago
  Review increases German acid attacks. Then review increases Swedish acid attacks. Focusing on just the UK as if it was some mystically isolated scenario is intentionally skewing the statistics and the discussion to allow for demographic plausible deniability. I'm not here to assert the correctness of my position, for the record, especially since I've already pointed out one only has to look at similar cases from Germany and Sweden. I've already placed my bets on the inevitable rise of European private prisons within the next ten years.
  - Latty 9y ago
    I don't understand your point - the thread is about the issue in the UK - it could be completely different to the issue in other places. Your assertion that it has to be the same is, quite frankly, naive - existing crime levels, media exposure, existing acid attacks could all make the situation massively different. Sounds to me like you are saying you have no evidence for that claim.
- mcrocop 9y ago
  I don't remember the source but a quick search of distribution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London#/media/File:Islam_Greater_London_2011_census.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London#/media/File:Is... and acid attacks: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hd-map-acid-capital-of-britain.jpg?strip=all&w=750 https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hd-map-a... Again - I'm sure you could locate the source or find much more recent maps to show the correlation. The borough with the second highest Muslim population currently has the highest number of Acid attacks.
  - Latty 9y ago
    At a glance, those two maps don't really correlate, and are completely useless anyway - if immigrants are more likely to come to poorer areas, for example, I could imagine a link between crime and poor areas in general, so acid attacks would be highest in those places anyway. If you want to make such a outlandish claim, you need real sources where this has been studied and thought out carefully. Sounds to me like you are making up statistics to push your narrative. It sounds a lot like the "black people are only x% of the population, but y% of prisoners in the USA!" you hear racists hark back to a lot. See a vague correlation, assume causation.
    - candiodari 9y ago
      I would like to point out that, anecdotally, the articles you read about this in newspapers do generally have that pattern. Not always. Does seem to involve love in pretty much every single article I've read. The biggest part of those incidents, however, is muslim families imposing punishment on daughters. And yes, they often do it specifically in ways to minimize punishment. Not just by selecting the weapons, for instance they have minors do it, or they do it in large groups so everybody has to protect eachother and there is no single responsible person. I also dislike your implication. Just because numbers don't seem to pass your standard (which isn't a coincidence, those numbers are very politically charged) does not change the fact that it is very much a problem that muslim communities impose their "values" on women (and elderly, and kids, and ...) with violence in immigrant neighborhoods in the west. Most worrisome these days is that not a week goes by without an article how some banal government intervention (fire brigade, wasps, car crash, shoplifting, ...) goes by without muslim youth attacking everyone, the police, firemen, bystanders, ... But if you want to see whether this is happening or not, just go there. They've got good food (if you like it), and it won't take you very long to see aggression in the street against women at all. Probably nothing as serious as acid throwing, probably just shouting, but you'll see it. In the evening, especially on fridays, you stand a very good chance to see a physical confrontation between the police and locals near the police station or perhaps the train station. Or perhaps just search it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP51aD_72PU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP51aD_72PU Search it and you'll see just how common and normal these things are. Or visit. I don't care how much your worldview depends on denying these things are real. They are fact, they are obvious, and they have become so banal, so normal, and in some cases so brutal. Meanwhile, you'll never read about these incidents in either the normal press, or on the BBC or newspapers, and figures detailing these events are so absurd they're utterly ridiculous. More and more stories of people forced out by "crime" (somehow specifically targeting them and not others) keep finding me and dismissing all of them as if this doesn't exist, well, I wish you wouldn't do that.

Latty 9y ago

> There is a correlation between the % of Muslim population and # of acid attacks. I haven't seen that stated, let alone proven - can you back up that statement?

BanMeAndWin 9y ago
Review increases German acid attacks. Then review increases Swedish acid attacks. Focusing on just the UK as if it was some mystically isolated scenario is intentionally skewing the statistics and the discussion to allow for demographic plausible deniability. I'm not here to assert the correctness of my position, for the record, especially since I've already pointed out one only has to look at similar cases from Germany and Sweden. I've already placed my bets on the inevitable rise of European private prisons within the next ten years.
- Latty 9y ago
  I don't understand your point - the thread is about the issue in the UK - it could be completely different to the issue in other places. Your assertion that it has to be the same is, quite frankly, naive - existing crime levels, media exposure, existing acid attacks could all make the situation massively different. Sounds to me like you are saying you have no evidence for that claim.
mcrocop 9y ago
I don't remember the source but a quick search of distribution: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London#/media/File:Islam_Greater_London_2011_census.png https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Islam_in_London#/media/File:Is... and acid attacks: https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hd-map-acid-capital-of-britain.jpg?strip=all&w=750 https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2017/07/hd-map-a... Again - I'm sure you could locate the source or find much more recent maps to show the correlation. The borough with the second highest Muslim population currently has the highest number of Acid attacks.
- Latty 9y ago
  At a glance, those two maps don't really correlate, and are completely useless anyway - if immigrants are more likely to come to poorer areas, for example, I could imagine a link between crime and poor areas in general, so acid attacks would be highest in those places anyway. If you want to make such a outlandish claim, you need real sources where this has been studied and thought out carefully. Sounds to me like you are making up statistics to push your narrative. It sounds a lot like the "black people are only x% of the population, but y% of prisoners in the USA!" you hear racists hark back to a lot. See a vague correlation, assume causation.
  - candiodari 9y ago
    I would like to point out that, anecdotally, the articles you read about this in newspapers do generally have that pattern. Not always. Does seem to involve love in pretty much every single article I've read. The biggest part of those incidents, however, is muslim families imposing punishment on daughters. And yes, they often do it specifically in ways to minimize punishment. Not just by selecting the weapons, for instance they have minors do it, or they do it in large groups so everybody has to protect eachother and there is no single responsible person. I also dislike your implication. Just because numbers don't seem to pass your standard (which isn't a coincidence, those numbers are very politically charged) does not change the fact that it is very much a problem that muslim communities impose their "values" on women (and elderly, and kids, and ...) with violence in immigrant neighborhoods in the west. Most worrisome these days is that not a week goes by without an article how some banal government intervention (fire brigade, wasps, car crash, shoplifting, ...) goes by without muslim youth attacking everyone, the police, firemen, bystanders, ... But if you want to see whether this is happening or not, just go there. They've got good food (if you like it), and it won't take you very long to see aggression in the street against women at all. Probably nothing as serious as acid throwing, probably just shouting, but you'll see it. In the evening, especially on fridays, you stand a very good chance to see a physical confrontation between the police and locals near the police station or perhaps the train station. Or perhaps just search it on youtube: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP51aD_72PU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VP51aD_72PU Search it and you'll see just how common and normal these things are. Or visit. I don't care how much your worldview depends on denying these things are real. They are fact, they are obvious, and they have become so banal, so normal, and in some cases so brutal. Meanwhile, you'll never read about these incidents in either the normal press, or on the BBC or newspapers, and figures detailing these events are so absurd they're utterly ridiculous. More and more stories of people forced out by "crime" (somehow specifically targeting them and not others) keep finding me and dismissing all of them as if this doesn't exist, well, I wish you wouldn't do that.