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Disagree. We all have choices. But it's easy to convince yourself otherwise. If you're getting less than 1%, you'll get a better ROI working for the bigCo of

Disagree. We all have choices. But it's easy to convince yourself otherwise. If you're getting less than 1%, you'll get a better ROI working for the bigCo of your choosing. Suggesting otherwise is disingenuous. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4008733 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=4008733

s73ver_ 9y ago
Your statement does nothing to advance your point; rather, all it does is show you have no empathy for others.
- scottlegrand2 9y ago
  I am confused. What point do you think I am trying to make? I thought my point was that startups are usually a bad risk for less than 1% of the equity pie when compared to the other major option of working for an established tech company with a stable income and work/life balance. Are you saying some people have no other choice in life except to take a craptastic gig at a horrible startup for 0.1% or less of the equity? And by disagreeing, I am somehow some sort of sociopath?
- dang 9y ago
  Ai yai yai. Please please don't go back to commenting in this spirit. We ban accounts—we have to ban accounts—that do this. (I left yours unpenalized the last time we had an exchange like this, because it seemed you were commenting in good faith, and I still think that.) All: we recently updated https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, so now would be a good time for a refresher.
  - s73ver_ 9y ago
    I am sorry. But I do also feel that refusing to believe that not everyone has that level of bargaining power is also quite uncivil.
    - scottlegrand2 9y ago
      So what you're saying is that some people accept poor startup offers because they want to work for a startup so badly that the opportunity to do so outweighs the bad risk they are taking? How is that anyone's fault except their own? In my opinion that kind of person is in serious need of a moment of clarity. And refusing to acknowledge that there are people in the world that see things differently is quite uncivil IMO. When I was younger, I took several craptastic startup offers because of the allure of working for a startup. Not one of them panned out. But I also turned down offers from Autodesk and Nvidia at a time when accepting would have made me worth 50 to 100 million dollars today. Feeling loyal to those craptastic startups and also feeling somewhat that I had no other options were part of why I made those bad calls. Don't be former me.

s73ver_ 9y ago

Your statement does nothing to advance your point; rather, all it does is show you have no empathy for others.

scottlegrand2 9y ago
I am confused. What point do you think I am trying to make? I thought my point was that startups are usually a bad risk for less than 1% of the equity pie when compared to the other major option of working for an established tech company with a stable income and work/life balance. Are you saying some people have no other choice in life except to take a craptastic gig at a horrible startup for 0.1% or less of the equity? And by disagreeing, I am somehow some sort of sociopath?
dang 9y ago
Ai yai yai. Please please don't go back to commenting in this spirit. We ban accounts—we have to ban accounts—that do this. (I left yours unpenalized the last time we had an exchange like this, because it seemed you were commenting in good faith, and I still think that.) All: we recently updated https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html https://news.ycombinator.com/newsguidelines.html, so now would be a good time for a refresher.
- s73ver_ 9y ago
  I am sorry. But I do also feel that refusing to believe that not everyone has that level of bargaining power is also quite uncivil.
  - scottlegrand2 9y ago
    So what you're saying is that some people accept poor startup offers because they want to work for a startup so badly that the opportunity to do so outweighs the bad risk they are taking? How is that anyone's fault except their own? In my opinion that kind of person is in serious need of a moment of clarity. And refusing to acknowledge that there are people in the world that see things differently is quite uncivil IMO. When I was younger, I took several craptastic startup offers because of the allure of working for a startup. Not one of them panned out. But I also turned down offers from Autodesk and Nvidia at a time when accepting would have made me worth 50 to 100 million dollars today. Feeling loyal to those craptastic startups and also feeling somewhat that I had no other options were part of why I made those bad calls. Don't be former me.