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Why? It's a badly designed phone. There's a reason every other cellphone has an internal antenna. Good on people for calling Apple out over the lousy design, fa

by axod 16y ago

Why? It's a badly designed phone. There's a reason every other cellphone has an internal antenna. Good on people for calling Apple out over the lousy design, failure to test properly, and so far, the failure to take responsibility. If I had bought an iPhone 4, I'd have accepted a refund. Bumpers? case? eugh come on.

megablast 16y ago
The way I see it, they took a chance on a different design, that produces better results most of the time, but has an unfortunate side effect that it causes a problem when held a certain way. The reception problem when holding a phone a particular way happends on lots of phones out there, this was just never relised before. If you were using a Nexus on or bb 9700, you would lose a call and blame it on the network or the lift. Now, you might check how you are holding the phone.
ericd 16y ago
If the vast majority of the people think it's overall a much better phone than the 3GS, is it really a badly designed phone? I don't own one, but the whole antenna thing sounds massively overblown by a press hungry for some controversy. Anandtech went so far as to say that the phone was better overall in marginal reception areas than the 3GS.
- troystribling 16y ago
  Mine was delivered Friday. One of the first things I did was to try the death grip. To get the signal to degrade I had to hold it in a position essentially embedding in the lower left corner of the phone in my palm while holding it unnaturally tight. Then there was only a single bar loss in signal. Holding the phone in a comfortable left or right handed position had no effect on the signal. If there would have not been the news around it I would have never noticed it. Even the technology press seems to be degenerating to Fox.
  - tb 16y ago
    That's because you must be in an area with relatively high signal strength. The signal bars on the iPhone are very non-linear. If you had been in an area with marginal signal strength (but still enough to read 5 bars), holding your phone normally would be enough to drop several bars. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2
    - Oompa 16y ago
      This is fixed in the new update. The bars are now linear.
      - ericd 16y ago
        How can they be linear? There's an unbounded range of signal strength. Right next to a very high powered tower, it's going to get better signal strength than right next to a microcell, for example. My impression was that they were just shifting the scale so that more instances would be <5 bars.
- zmmmmm 16y ago
  That's a false dichotomy. It can still be better than a 3gs overall AND have a serious design flaw. Technology has moved on and made the 3gs obsolete in so many ways that it can easily move the overall experience to a new high watermark while still having a serious flaw.
  - wvenable 16y ago
    If it gets better reception than the 3GS in some situations and worse in other situations, how is that a serious design flaw? What makes it a flaw rather than simply a design trade off? I've had many high tech devices way more flawed than this and they didn't get 22 days of coverage, a press conference by the CEO, or some free fixes. Hell exploding laptop batteries got less coverage than this! I don't even own a iPhone (and don't intend to get one) but these comments are over the top.
  - ericd 16y ago
    The parent said it was a badly designed phone, I was just saying that since everyone seems to be much happier with it than the predecessor, even in the area of the flaw, it's not a bad design. I don't see a false dichotomy. And the 3GS is not a completely obsolete phone at all, except by gadget addict standards.
- ChRoss 16y ago
  Overblown or not, the product still have the flaw. I think what the media expected is Apple to admit the flaw, and not pushing the responsibility to customer by holding it another way or buy bumper. In auto industry, Toyota, Honda and others admit their product have flaw, and do a recall.
  - ericd 16y ago
    In the auto industry, if they don't recall the product when there's a big flaw, people die. It's a bit different. This seems like the A/C buttons on a Toyota Camry being finicky and annoying. Not worth a recall, or the attention that's been paid to it.
  - megablast 16y ago
    Jobs admitted there was a flaw, just as there is for all phones. Perhaps they should recall all phones, and we can go back to having a pull out antenna, or large radio source closer to our heads?
alanh 16y ago
1) They’re offering refunds 2) How can you call it a “badly designed phone” when you don’t have one? I have one. It’s great. Give it up already!
akv 16y ago
Its not a bad phone. I have an iPhone 4, and I am really impressed with it, actually I can't put it down. It has really great screen resolution, is much faster than other phones I have seen and combined with iOS4, multi-tasking, etc it makes a really good phone. The antenna issue only shows up in certain areas of reception. I for one, am not sending my phone back...

by axod 16y ago

megablast 16y ago

The way I see it, they took a chance on a different design, that produces better results most of the time, but has an unfortunate side effect that it causes a problem when held a certain way. The reception problem when holding a phone a particular way happends on lots of phones out there, this was just never relised before. If you were using a Nexus on or bb 9700, you would lose a call and blame it on the network or the lift. Now, you might check how you are holding the phone.

ericd 16y ago

If the vast majority of the people think it's overall a much better phone than the 3GS, is it really a badly designed phone? I don't own one, but the whole antenna thing sounds massively overblown by a press hungry for some controversy. Anandtech went so far as to say that the phone was better overall in marginal reception areas than the 3GS.

troystribling 16y ago
Mine was delivered Friday. One of the first things I did was to try the death grip. To get the signal to degrade I had to hold it in a position essentially embedding in the lower left corner of the phone in my palm while holding it unnaturally tight. Then there was only a single bar loss in signal. Holding the phone in a comfortable left or right handed position had no effect on the signal. If there would have not been the news around it I would have never noticed it. Even the technology press seems to be degenerating to Fox.
- tb 16y ago
  That's because you must be in an area with relatively high signal strength. The signal bars on the iPhone are very non-linear. If you had been in an area with marginal signal strength (but still enough to read 5 bars), holding your phone normally would be enough to drop several bars. http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2 http://www.anandtech.com/show/3794/the-iphone-4-review/2
  - Oompa 16y ago
    This is fixed in the new update. The bars are now linear.
    - ericd 16y ago
      How can they be linear? There's an unbounded range of signal strength. Right next to a very high powered tower, it's going to get better signal strength than right next to a microcell, for example. My impression was that they were just shifting the scale so that more instances would be <5 bars.
zmmmmm 16y ago
That's a false dichotomy. It can still be better than a 3gs overall AND have a serious design flaw. Technology has moved on and made the 3gs obsolete in so many ways that it can easily move the overall experience to a new high watermark while still having a serious flaw.
- wvenable 16y ago
  If it gets better reception than the 3GS in some situations and worse in other situations, how is that a serious design flaw? What makes it a flaw rather than simply a design trade off? I've had many high tech devices way more flawed than this and they didn't get 22 days of coverage, a press conference by the CEO, or some free fixes. Hell exploding laptop batteries got less coverage than this! I don't even own a iPhone (and don't intend to get one) but these comments are over the top.
- ericd 16y ago
  The parent said it was a badly designed phone, I was just saying that since everyone seems to be much happier with it than the predecessor, even in the area of the flaw, it's not a bad design. I don't see a false dichotomy. And the 3GS is not a completely obsolete phone at all, except by gadget addict standards.
ChRoss 16y ago
Overblown or not, the product still have the flaw. I think what the media expected is Apple to admit the flaw, and not pushing the responsibility to customer by holding it another way or buy bumper. In auto industry, Toyota, Honda and others admit their product have flaw, and do a recall.
- ericd 16y ago
  In the auto industry, if they don't recall the product when there's a big flaw, people die. It's a bit different. This seems like the A/C buttons on a Toyota Camry being finicky and annoying. Not worth a recall, or the attention that's been paid to it.
- megablast 16y ago
  Jobs admitted there was a flaw, just as there is for all phones. Perhaps they should recall all phones, and we can go back to having a pull out antenna, or large radio source closer to our heads?

alanh 16y ago

1) They’re offering refunds 2) How can you call it a “badly designed phone” when you don’t have one? I have one. It’s great. Give it up already!

akv 16y ago

Its not a bad phone. I have an iPhone 4, and I am really impressed with it, actually I can't put it down. It has really great screen resolution, is much faster than other phones I have seen and combined with iOS4, multi-tasking, etc it makes a really good phone. The antenna issue only shows up in certain areas of reception. I for one, am not sending my phone back...