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And in the vast majority of the cases the guy pulling the lever happened to be on that side of the gas chamber door because his nation had a strong defense sect

by evgen 9y ago

And in the vast majority of the cases the guy pulling the lever happened to be on that side of the gas chamber door because his nation had a strong defense sector and the government that was supposed to protect the people on the wrong side of that door had a weak defense sector. Maybe ask yourself what side of the door you want to be on before getting up on that high horse.

maxerickson 9y ago
I'd rather die than participate in mass murder. I mean, I don't want to die, but if you are gassing people, you've not really come out ahead of the people you are gassing.
- taway_1212 9y ago
  > I'd rather die than participate in mass murder. There were relatively few perpetrators of mass murders, while the murdered people counted in millions. In other words - not all Germans "pulled levers of gas chambers", while most of for example Eastern European Jews got gassed (or shot).
  - maxerickson 9y ago
    Sure. I guess my point is that worrying about which side of the gas chamber walls you end up on is a morally feeble position. The goal must be to not have gas chambers.
3131s 9y ago
What an embarrassing comment for you. Do you even realize that most of those in the gas chambers were Germans? So your comment really makes no sense, in addition to being cowardly. I choose death over murdering the innocent, and I'll take as many of my superiors issuing those orders with me as I can.
- taway_1212 9y ago
  > Do you even realize that most of those in the gas chambers were Germans? Citation needed? Unless you were talking about the operators, not the victims... (it's not clear for me). > I choose death over murdering the innocent, and I'll take as many of my superiors issuing those orders with me as I can. There is a saying in Polish "we know ourselves only to the degree we've been tested before" - in other words, it's hard to tell beforehand how one would behave in an extreme situation.
- evgen 9y ago
  Sorry, but the embarrassment here is yours. The overwhelming majority of those in the gas chambers were Polish, not German. The fact that you do not know even this simple fact makes you completely unqualified to use this example in any argument you make.
  - 3131s 9y ago
    Meh, I'm only mildly embarrassed about getting a fact wrong. Having no personal integrity however, and admitting that you'd pull the lever in the gas chambers, is another story.

by evgen 9y ago

maxerickson 9y ago

I'd rather die than participate in mass murder. I mean, I don't want to die, but if you are gassing people, you've not really come out ahead of the people you are gassing.

taway_1212 9y ago
> I'd rather die than participate in mass murder. There were relatively few perpetrators of mass murders, while the murdered people counted in millions. In other words - not all Germans "pulled levers of gas chambers", while most of for example Eastern European Jews got gassed (or shot).
- maxerickson 9y ago
  Sure. I guess my point is that worrying about which side of the gas chamber walls you end up on is a morally feeble position. The goal must be to not have gas chambers.

3131s 9y ago

What an embarrassing comment for you. Do you even realize that most of those in the gas chambers were Germans? So your comment really makes no sense, in addition to being cowardly. I choose death over murdering the innocent, and I'll take as many of my superiors issuing those orders with me as I can.

taway_1212 9y ago
> Do you even realize that most of those in the gas chambers were Germans? Citation needed? Unless you were talking about the operators, not the victims... (it's not clear for me). > I choose death over murdering the innocent, and I'll take as many of my superiors issuing those orders with me as I can. There is a saying in Polish "we know ourselves only to the degree we've been tested before" - in other words, it's hard to tell beforehand how one would behave in an extreme situation.
evgen 9y ago
Sorry, but the embarrassment here is yours. The overwhelming majority of those in the gas chambers were Polish, not German. The fact that you do not know even this simple fact makes you completely unqualified to use this example in any argument you make.
- 3131s 9y ago
  Meh, I'm only mildly embarrassed about getting a fact wrong. Having no personal integrity however, and admitting that you'd pull the lever in the gas chambers, is another story.