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As far as Greenland goes, this year is beating last year's immense gain in surface ice coverage (just past the middle of summer there), and is on track to do ev

As far as Greenland goes, this year is beating last year's immense gain in surface ice coverage (just past the middle of summer there), and is on track to do even better than 2016's 5th-biggest-on-record gain in surface ice coverage. So far this season, Greenland is gaining about 50 gigatons PER DAY in ice -- and the rate of gain is INCREASING. https://beta.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/b/m/s/d/e/accumulatedsmb.png https://beta.dmi.dk/uploads/tx_dmidatastore/webservice/b/m/s... https://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-sheet-surface-mass-budget/ https://beta.dmi.dk/en/groenland/maalinger/greenland-ice-she...

sulam 9y ago
You can thank Hurricane Nicole for that, and if you're going to talk about it in specifics, you should also mention that this was a rare positive blip in a long-term trend of melting that goes back for decades.
Jtsummers 9y ago
Looking at the year over year data: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-2016/ArtMID/5022/ArticleID/277/Greenland-Ice-Sheet http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-2016/ArtM... Greenland is losing ice at around 200Gt/year (this is also in your second link). And I don't see where you get the 50Gt/day gains. Unless the graph is lying, it's in Gt/day. Ranging from gains of about 12Gt to losses of about -8Gt over this past year. Quoting your source: Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr. It's all fine and dandy to link to data. It certainly makes your post look more legit. But when your links directly contradict your text you should either find other data, or reconsider your stated interpretation.
- FreeInFlorida 9y ago
  Greenland usually gains about 350-400 billion tons of ice over the summer, but this year, it gained 550 billion tons and is still gaining. Temperatures in the center of Greenland's ice sheet never rose above -10C all summer, so it's hard to see how it could have lost any ice. Ice accumulation is nearly two standard deviations above the 1981-2010 mean for the same period, and it is very, very early in the season for such gains. Both of Greenland's largest glaciers (Jakobshavn and Peterman) are growing at record rates, about 1km/year. Icepacks and glaciers calve into the sea. That's what they do. It's Nature's way of moving the ice and snow away from the center and back into the ocean. If they didn't, the snowpack/ice would extend to the Equator, which is impossible, or the snowpack would be 5 miles high, which is not the case.
  - Jtsummers 9y ago
    Unless I've misread your link, the 200Gt/year loss is the net between gain from snow and loss from calving. Your claim in your post was that Greenland was gaining 50Gt/day. This was not backed by your link. It literally isn't in there. If it were true then the chart should show well in excess of 200Gt accumulated for this year so far, and it does not. In September they have so far accumulated 50Gt which is in line with previous years at this point.

sulam 9y ago

You can thank Hurricane Nicole for that, and if you're going to talk about it in specifics, you should also mention that this was a rare positive blip in a long-term trend of melting that goes back for decades.

Jtsummers 9y ago

Looking at the year over year data: http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-2016/ArtMID/5022/ArticleID/277/Greenland-Ice-Sheet http://www.arctic.noaa.gov/Report-Card/Report-Card-2016/ArtM... Greenland is losing ice at around 200Gt/year (this is also in your second link). And I don't see where you get the 50Gt/day gains. Unless the graph is lying, it's in Gt/day. Ranging from gains of about 12Gt to losses of about -8Gt over this past year. Quoting your source: Over the year, it snows more than it melts, but calving of icebergs also adds to the total mass budget of the ice sheet. Satellite observations over the last decade show that the ice sheet is not in balance. The calving loss is greater than the gain from surface mass balance, and Greenland is losing mass at about 200 Gt/yr. It's all fine and dandy to link to data. It certainly makes your post look more legit. But when your links directly contradict your text you should either find other data, or reconsider your stated interpretation.

FreeInFlorida 9y ago
Greenland usually gains about 350-400 billion tons of ice over the summer, but this year, it gained 550 billion tons and is still gaining. Temperatures in the center of Greenland's ice sheet never rose above -10C all summer, so it's hard to see how it could have lost any ice. Ice accumulation is nearly two standard deviations above the 1981-2010 mean for the same period, and it is very, very early in the season for such gains. Both of Greenland's largest glaciers (Jakobshavn and Peterman) are growing at record rates, about 1km/year. Icepacks and glaciers calve into the sea. That's what they do. It's Nature's way of moving the ice and snow away from the center and back into the ocean. If they didn't, the snowpack/ice would extend to the Equator, which is impossible, or the snowpack would be 5 miles high, which is not the case.
- Jtsummers 9y ago
  Unless I've misread your link, the 200Gt/year loss is the net between gain from snow and loss from calving. Your claim in your post was that Greenland was gaining 50Gt/day. This was not backed by your link. It literally isn't in there. If it were true then the chart should show well in excess of 200Gt accumulated for this year so far, and it does not. In September they have so far accumulated 50Gt which is in line with previous years at this point.