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by mgbmtl 9y ago
The content shows as offline for me, but you can copy-paste the URL in google and view the cache (https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1J0XO4WYGG4J:https://www.scientificamerican.com/article/cities-sue-big-oil-for-damages-from-rising-seas/+&cd=1&hl=fr&ct=clnk&gl=ca https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:1J0XO4...)
Two key quotes from the article:
* "The legal complaints also cite an internal Exxon document from 1982. Its authors predicted that global temperatures will rise 3 degrees Celsius before the century ends."
* "The defendants “promoted fossil fuels and fossil fuel products for unlimited use in massive quantities with knowledge of the hazard that such use would create,” the San Francisco suit says."
Can't wait for gaz stations to be like cigarette packaging/advertising (in most of the western world except the US): un-branded and with large warnings about the health/environmental consequences.
- goatlover 9y agoSo are all the car emissions going to be shifted to power plants?
- TeMPOraL 9y agoEven if, it'd be a net win for two reasons: - big power plants are much more efficient than internal combustion engines, especially as the latter are operated over wide range of speeds - it's much easier and cheaper to put emission capture tech on a power plant chimney than to put it in cars
- pbreit 9y agoAlso, it enables working in non-polluting energy sources like wind, sun, hydro, nuclear (depending on your feelings about any of these).
- maym86 9y agoEV's are still more efficient and less polluting. http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ucs-electric-vehicles-emissions-study-20151110-story.html http://www.latimes.com/business/autos/la-fi-hy-ucs-electric-... The power from the grid can be made cleaner too by increasing usage of renewable energy.
- QAPereo 9y agoIf I were an Exxon exec, I’d be less worried about lawsuits, and more worried about future lynchings by an enraged and suffering world populace. In particular, when a particular kind of person connects the dots between fossil fuels, climate change, and mass migration they’re going to flip.
- goatlover 9y agoPerhaps, but why is it only Exxon's fault, and not everyone who uses any form of energy based on fossil fuels? If things get that bad, I'm guessing the entire industrialized world is going to be blamed.
- door 9y agoexxon has a hell of a lot more power than one single individual. also barring some wild off-the-grid alt lifestyle pretty much everyone relies on fossil fuels
- njarboe 9y agoOakland and SF could start by banning all gasoline, diesel, and jet fuel in their jurisdictions. See how that works out. Can't we just get an international CO2 tax and slowly ratchet it up to the level to stop CO2 in the atmosphere from going up? Exxon wants it. And it looks like China would be on-board (trust but verify). Maybe India too and we are all set.
- grigjd3 9y agoThe cost gets distributed. Exxon certainly won't just lose money. They'll raise prices.
- TeMPOraL 9y agoAt this point I'm still betting the mass lynching of programmers (because of job loss due to automation) will happen sooner.
- santaclaus 9y ago
- lliamander 9y ago> "The legal complaints also cite an internal Exxon document from 1982. Its authors predicted that global temperatures will rise 3 degrees Celsius before the century ends." Did it rise 3C?
- vorotato 9y agoNo it only raised about 1C, but the rate of temperature increase has doubled. So like most predictions of the future, you get some things right and some things wrong. The important component though is that the authors did notice a trend.
- lliamander 9y agoFair enough.