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Was recently telling my dad about this. I might get an iPhone X just because of Apple's new stance on browsing privacy. I recently quit my ad-tech job and what

by dvt 9y ago

Was recently telling my dad about this. I might get an iPhone X just because of Apple's new stance on browsing privacy. I recently quit my ad-tech job and what FB/Google does with tracking is incredibly sketchy. Glad to see a large company with leverage fight back.

blubb-fish 9y ago
Why not an iPhone 6?
- blubb-fish 9y ago
  "This question is an outrageous profanity!"
- alien_at_work 9y ago
  Don't know why people are downvoting this, but the 5C just got "obsoleted" so that could mean the 6 is right on the brink of update oblivion. So that could be a reason.
  - blubb-fish 9y ago
    could be - but the question is so stupid - not worthy to actually reply. In the light of such pretentious behaviour I have no idea why apple users have a reputation of being pragmatic and down2earth. </irony>
    - alien_at_work 9y ago
      I'm an apple user, perhaps even a fan. I don't have a clue why your comment was downvoted. Is it a lot? Maybe it's a misclick.
      - blubb-fish 9y ago
        just joking. nonetheless my question was serious. I wouldn't like to pay more than €500 on a smartphone. And ...,iP6 < €500 < iP7,... Actually I am a happy Android user. But I don't like too much of my data in one basket. Which is why I would consider iPhone for my next phone. But the praise of iOS regarding privacy is rather new. So my question aims at whether I could expect also the privacy for older iPhones or if this is only coming with newer versions. Of course data safety is in this case a result of an Apple policy - which would affect all products - but possibly older iPhones still send too much data to Apple. F.x. let's assume a Catalonian opposition politician who's investigated by the Spanish police and a judge decides his data should be searched. With this warrant they contact Apple. Would apple now send all their data about the guy to the police - how much do they have? That's another question I ponder besides ad tracking policies.
        alien_at_work 9y ago
        Well, the data sending is (AFAIK) about the OS, not the phone itself. So if did they made this policy change for iOS 11 [1] then all phones that run iOS 11 get it. And honestly, the 6 is probably fine. They stopped updated 5C and before because they were 32-bit phones. I expect 6 and on to keep getting security updates, etc. for a long time. At least I hope so because I had planned on staying with my 6 for as long as I can. For your spanish case, I would refer to the case of the US terrorists: Apple prefered to pay a fine to the US government rather than unlocking it. [1] I think they've always had this kind of policy, for the record.
ocdtrekkie 9y ago
I am actually super intrigued to hear about someone quitting ad-tech. Did you quit ad-tech because of moral/ethical concerns? What was your "wake up call"?
- dvt 9y ago
  It wasn't so much a wake-up call, just a long-time simmer. When I first took the position, it wasn't in ad-tech, but our team slowly migrated to doing purely FB and Google ad automation. I felt that not only was I underused technically, but also that my contribution was a net negative for society.
jdiaz5513 9y ago
Good to hear! I have been summarily refusing ad-tech job offers (and boy, some of them were willing to pay big bucks). The ethical concerns are staggering, and as it becomes harder to extract value it seems the ethics violations continue unbounded. People seem willing to do whatever it takes to keep their businesses (and most crucially, the jobs they cannot afford to lose) afloat. I suspect wage slavery is to blame for a lot of this. It's anecdata, but not a single one of the people I know in media/advertising actually WANTS to be there, and all of them have serious concerns about the business practices. The #1 thing keeping them there in every case is "I need the money". For those who have the luxury of choice I implore you: vote with your feet, switch jobs, and encourage others to do the same! I refuse to join a company unless I know its profits are tied directly to some mutual benefit for society.
- dvt 9y ago
  > The #1 thing keeping them there in every case is "I need the money". Basically, this was my situation. But I paid off my student loans and I have some money in the bank now so I have some leverage as I shop around for my next job.

by dvt 9y ago

blubb-fish 9y ago

Why not an iPhone 6?

blubb-fish 9y ago
"This question is an outrageous profanity!"
alien_at_work 9y ago
Don't know why people are downvoting this, but the 5C just got "obsoleted" so that could mean the 6 is right on the brink of update oblivion. So that could be a reason.
- blubb-fish 9y ago
  could be - but the question is so stupid - not worthy to actually reply. In the light of such pretentious behaviour I have no idea why apple users have a reputation of being pragmatic and down2earth. </irony>
  - alien_at_work 9y ago
    I'm an apple user, perhaps even a fan. I don't have a clue why your comment was downvoted. Is it a lot? Maybe it's a misclick.
    - blubb-fish 9y ago
      just joking. nonetheless my question was serious. I wouldn't like to pay more than €500 on a smartphone. And ...,iP6 < €500 < iP7,... Actually I am a happy Android user. But I don't like too much of my data in one basket. Which is why I would consider iPhone for my next phone. But the praise of iOS regarding privacy is rather new. So my question aims at whether I could expect also the privacy for older iPhones or if this is only coming with newer versions. Of course data safety is in this case a result of an Apple policy - which would affect all products - but possibly older iPhones still send too much data to Apple. F.x. let's assume a Catalonian opposition politician who's investigated by the Spanish police and a judge decides his data should be searched. With this warrant they contact Apple. Would apple now send all their data about the guy to the police - how much do they have? That's another question I ponder besides ad tracking policies.
      - alien_at_work 9y ago
        Well, the data sending is (AFAIK) about the OS, not the phone itself. So if did they made this policy change for iOS 11 [1] then all phones that run iOS 11 get it. And honestly, the 6 is probably fine. They stopped updated 5C and before because they were 32-bit phones. I expect 6 and on to keep getting security updates, etc. for a long time. At least I hope so because I had planned on staying with my 6 for as long as I can. For your spanish case, I would refer to the case of the US terrorists: Apple prefered to pay a fine to the US government rather than unlocking it. [1] I think they've always had this kind of policy, for the record.

ocdtrekkie 9y ago

I am actually super intrigued to hear about someone quitting ad-tech. Did you quit ad-tech because of moral/ethical concerns? What was your "wake up call"?

dvt 9y ago
It wasn't so much a wake-up call, just a long-time simmer. When I first took the position, it wasn't in ad-tech, but our team slowly migrated to doing purely FB and Google ad automation. I felt that not only was I underused technically, but also that my contribution was a net negative for society.

jdiaz5513 9y ago

Good to hear! I have been summarily refusing ad-tech job offers (and boy, some of them were willing to pay big bucks). The ethical concerns are staggering, and as it becomes harder to extract value it seems the ethics violations continue unbounded. People seem willing to do whatever it takes to keep their businesses (and most crucially, the jobs they cannot afford to lose) afloat. I suspect wage slavery is to blame for a lot of this. It's anecdata, but not a single one of the people I know in media/advertising actually WANTS to be there, and all of them have serious concerns about the business practices. The #1 thing keeping them there in every case is "I need the money". For those who have the luxury of choice I implore you: vote with your feet, switch jobs, and encourage others to do the same! I refuse to join a company unless I know its profits are tied directly to some mutual benefit for society.

dvt 9y ago
> The #1 thing keeping them there in every case is "I need the money". Basically, this was my situation. But I paid off my student loans and I have some money in the bank now so I have some leverage as I shop around for my next job.