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Where did you get the idea of no regulations? Only a few people want a world without laws, I'd submit that those people aren't very bright. Additionally, I'm n

by KGIII 9y ago

Where did you get the idea of no regulations? Only a few people want a world without laws, I'd submit that those people aren't very bright. Additionally, I'm not sure how you would read my posts and think I was in favor of no regulations? Libertarian != anarchist. Maybe you missed the part about protecting the commons? Maybe you missed my comments explaining what libertarian means? I dunno... If you're really curious, there is a pretty good Wikipedia article on the subject. Again, it is a broad spectrum that encompasses quite a lot of variations.

dagw 9y ago
You're views (which I largely agree with) with ideas like strict regulations, higher taxation and solid safety nets sound more like European Liberal views rather than anything most people would recognize as libertarian. But I do understand that most political labels are pretty meaningless in isolation.
- KGIII 9y ago
  They were the most common of libertarian values until recently. Libertarians used to be the kooky left but are now the crazy right, at least as far as perception goes. The thing is, we weren't ever a large group. When what I call ashamed republicans took over the party, it moved perception strongly to the right. We can't really kick them out of the party, that would kinda be antithetical to our stated beliefs. So, here we are. I can understand why people would be confused when I say I'm a libertarian. I can understand why they'd immediately think I'm a Randian. So, I try to explain it, but it's rather verbose and not exactly easy to sum up.
  - sjwright 9y ago
    Libertarianism ought to be, in my view, maximum freedom with minimum externalities. You should be able to justify drug legalisation and strict pollution regulations within this model.
  - olalonde 9y ago
    > I can understand why people would be confused when I say I'm a libertarian Indeed. Do you think it is possible that you are mislabeling yourself? From this thread, I'd say most people would label you a social democrat (and no, not because you reject Ayn Rand).
    - KGIII 9y ago
      Not really, no. I didn't change, the party changed and the public perception changed. It is hard to put people into boxes. In my case, my goal is to maximize liberty. That's my primary concern.

by KGIII 9y ago

dagw 9y ago

You're views (which I largely agree with) with ideas like strict regulations, higher taxation and solid safety nets sound more like European Liberal views rather than anything most people would recognize as libertarian. But I do understand that most political labels are pretty meaningless in isolation.

KGIII 9y ago
They were the most common of libertarian values until recently. Libertarians used to be the kooky left but are now the crazy right, at least as far as perception goes. The thing is, we weren't ever a large group. When what I call ashamed republicans took over the party, it moved perception strongly to the right. We can't really kick them out of the party, that would kinda be antithetical to our stated beliefs. So, here we are. I can understand why people would be confused when I say I'm a libertarian. I can understand why they'd immediately think I'm a Randian. So, I try to explain it, but it's rather verbose and not exactly easy to sum up.
- sjwright 9y ago
  Libertarianism ought to be, in my view, maximum freedom with minimum externalities. You should be able to justify drug legalisation and strict pollution regulations within this model.
- olalonde 9y ago
  > I can understand why people would be confused when I say I'm a libertarian Indeed. Do you think it is possible that you are mislabeling yourself? From this thread, I'd say most people would label you a social democrat (and no, not because you reject Ayn Rand).
  - KGIII 9y ago
    Not really, no. I didn't change, the party changed and the public perception changed. It is hard to put people into boxes. In my case, my goal is to maximize liberty. That's my primary concern.