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I'd like to see something done in that area. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how politically feasible login.gov is. No, I know it exists and is technically possible

by KGIII 9y ago

I'd like to see something done in that area. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how politically feasible login.gov is. No, I know it exists and is technically possible - but we have people, a lot of them, who are very much against government tracking. We have people who think the census should be illegal and will claim it is a conspiracy when you point out it is an enumerated responsibility listed in the constitution. We have religious people who will claim it is the foretold sign of the beast and forbid use by their congregation. So, as you say, it is going to need some marketing. Those same people will often give their information to Facebook, by the way. Once it's from the government, I bet there is blowback. When it was announced, even comments on HN and Slashdot were immediately against the idea. But, yeah, you're right. It's going to need government involvement, I'm just not sure that is a realistic hope. I also don't have a better solution.

qznc 9y ago
Facebook already serves as a global identity provider. However, it does not fit some use cases. For example, to buy Bitcoins on Coinbase, you have to comply with KYC/AML laws, which essential means you must send them a scan of your passport and other stuff. A Facebook login is not enough. Technically, it is not necessary that the government runs it. We could let Facebook do that, but that would be worse than government imho. Maybe a non-profit would work? Still, governments must be involved because ultimately they are the original source and enforcer of identity.
- KGIII 9y ago
  I wonder if some sort of global NGO would work? Maybe an offshoot of the UN? At least initially, it will get lots of blowback in the US - if it is a requirement to get services. So, maybe they can incentivize it? Total adoption may take quite a while, perhaps even a full generation, though maybe more. We could start by making it optional and using it to expedite some services. We could also start initiating it at birth, to go along with the SSN. Maybe we could even make the SSN card a plastic card with a magnetic strip and a chip in it, for the NFR functionality, as well as making inexpensive USB devices for online authentication? I'm not an authority on this, or anything. I'm just speculating as to how it might work and how it might be possible to get it adopted. There will still be people against it, thinking it is something like trying to force a single world government, but it should be okay so long as it isn't a strict requirement to access services. Of course, accessing those services might be more difficult and that'd give incentive to use it. It'd have to be no-direct cost, and replaceable if lost or stolen. Maybe allow a free replacement every two years, or similar. Then, maybe a few bucks to replace it otherwise. There should probably be a hardship clause. The card could have many other uses, as well. Maybe people could opt to use the same card for banking, for library loans, for welfare benefits, and things like that? It seems doable, tech-wise. Politically, it's much more difficult. Even the new(ish) enhanced ID requirements went over poorly. My State fought that for years by using the excuse that it was an unfunded law. Yup, Maine fought against the enhanced ID that lets us cross the border into Canada without a passport. The excuse was funding, but it was really about not wanting to be told we needed a federal ID. It's a potentially tough nut to crack.

by KGIII 9y ago

qznc 9y ago

Facebook already serves as a global identity provider. However, it does not fit some use cases. For example, to buy Bitcoins on Coinbase, you have to comply with KYC/AML laws, which essential means you must send them a scan of your passport and other stuff. A Facebook login is not enough. Technically, it is not necessary that the government runs it. We could let Facebook do that, but that would be worse than government imho. Maybe a non-profit would work? Still, governments must be involved because ultimately they are the original source and enforcer of identity.

KGIII 9y ago
I wonder if some sort of global NGO would work? Maybe an offshoot of the UN? At least initially, it will get lots of blowback in the US - if it is a requirement to get services. So, maybe they can incentivize it? Total adoption may take quite a while, perhaps even a full generation, though maybe more. We could start by making it optional and using it to expedite some services. We could also start initiating it at birth, to go along with the SSN. Maybe we could even make the SSN card a plastic card with a magnetic strip and a chip in it, for the NFR functionality, as well as making inexpensive USB devices for online authentication? I'm not an authority on this, or anything. I'm just speculating as to how it might work and how it might be possible to get it adopted. There will still be people against it, thinking it is something like trying to force a single world government, but it should be okay so long as it isn't a strict requirement to access services. Of course, accessing those services might be more difficult and that'd give incentive to use it. It'd have to be no-direct cost, and replaceable if lost or stolen. Maybe allow a free replacement every two years, or similar. Then, maybe a few bucks to replace it otherwise. There should probably be a hardship clause. The card could have many other uses, as well. Maybe people could opt to use the same card for banking, for library loans, for welfare benefits, and things like that? It seems doable, tech-wise. Politically, it's much more difficult. Even the new(ish) enhanced ID requirements went over poorly. My State fought that for years by using the excuse that it was an unfunded law. Yup, Maine fought against the enhanced ID that lets us cross the border into Canada without a passport. The excuse was funding, but it was really about not wanting to be told we needed a federal ID. It's a potentially tough nut to crack.