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How about being a grownup and actually take the damn call? Could you not just tell him you weren’t interested rather than being so ignorant? For a whole month I

How about being a grownup and actually take the damn call? Could you not just tell him you weren’t interested rather than being so ignorant? For a whole month I mean, really?

PeachPlum 9y ago
Meanwhile in another timeline "All I did was miss three calls because I left my phone at my friend's and when I called they'd given the job to someone else, how unprofessional"
- imron 9y ago
  > All I did was miss three calls because I left my phone at my friend's and when I called they'd given the job to someone else, how unprofessional" What you have described is very different from: "Dude calls every fucking day for like four weeks straight;" I doubt you'd leave your phone at your friend's for a month, and if you were uncontactable daily for a month then, yeah, I can understand them giving the job to someone else.
yladiz 9y ago
Both sides are at fault, and the parent should have been more direct with the recruiter, but the parent is also right -- after a few calls, no more than a week of missed calls and no response, the recruiter should have stopped.
dvt 9y ago
Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. If you don't want to pick up that phone (and have a potentially awkward conversation with some sleazebag recruiter that's trying to sell you on a shit job you don't want), don't. This reminds me of the people that think women (or men) that don't want to go out with them owe them some kind of explanation. No, dude. Get some social awareness and move the fuck on.
- lambdas 9y ago
  Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. If you want to ring that phone (and have a potentially awkward conversation with some immature developer that's not yet picking up on your opportunity), do it. Goes both ways.
- dullgiulio 9y ago
  It's not the same thing. You can skip a call out of the blue, but after you have had some kind of interaction, is really good manners to have open and direct discussion. Both professionally and in the example you mention.
- crypt1d 9y ago
  Sure, you can do whatever you want. That doesn't change the fact that people will consider u a prick and a coward if you ignore calls for weeks on end without any explanation.
- blahbap 9y ago
  > Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want No, that's being a child. Being a grown up means not only thinking about yourself
  - tempestn 9y ago
    My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately these days it's clear not everyone feels that way.
- elorant 9y ago
  Life is easier when you treat people with respect.
- macspoofing 9y ago
  >Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. Wait till you're a grownup and you realize how not true that is.
- howlgram 9y ago
  not fair that you are getting downvoted for a perfectly reasonable perspective, you are hurting some sensitivities here
bvm 9y ago
Recruiters are like the Booking.com of people though.
- 8draco8 9y ago
  Recruiters are there for a reason. I respect them even when they are a little bit annoying. We as tech industry are so spoiled with jobs looking for us not the other way around that we forget how great it is to have a recruiter that you can call any time and ask for a new job and he will not stop until he will put you in the new position for free (for you of course). Remember they are just doing their job and we should respect that, so be kind to your recruiter, respond to an email, they will remember you as that guy who didn't wasted their time.
  - wackro 9y ago
    > he will not stop until he will put you in the new position for free Let me tell you about my first experience with a recruiter. I realise this is only one anecdote, but it sums up their usefulness. As a fresh graduate I sent a recruiter my CV and he sent me two job specs. I applied for one and the company ended up making an offer. The salary was well below normal, the company's office was in the middle of nowhere in another part of the country, and I'd had to have moved out there and bought a car in order to do the commute. The deal was not a good one, but through the recruiter I negotiated higher pay. During this process I was warned about coming across as 'mercenary', and he made real efforts to get me to take the job quickly ('stop delaying', 'this kind of job won't come up again'). At the same time as having this offer on the table, I received a separate offer from a company I'd applied to independently, with a salary ~25% higher, great benefits etc, which I accepted, to the annoyance of my recruiter. Once you get talking to a recruiter, they really do put you through the booking.com experience. I accept their value. But it is limited.
  - nnd 9y ago
    Unless we are talking about talent agents (which are rare in software engineering), the actual job of a recruiter is to work in the interest of his company. Then there are third-party recruiters and sorcerers who don't represent your interests either. "They are just doing their job" is a weak excuse. Most of the recruiters are doing such a bad job in matching the workforce with companies that they end up wasting everyone's time. The only reason why these brute-force approaches work is the surplus of demand in the current SE labour market.
kennydude 9y ago
It's quite funny how they'd keep trying for a month. They could just email, but insist on phone calls

How about being a grownup and actually take the damn call? Could you not just tell him you weren’t interested rather than being so ignorant? For a whole month I mean, really?

PeachPlum 9y ago

Meanwhile in another timeline "All I did was miss three calls because I left my phone at my friend's and when I called they'd given the job to someone else, how unprofessional"

imron 9y ago
> All I did was miss three calls because I left my phone at my friend's and when I called they'd given the job to someone else, how unprofessional" What you have described is very different from: "Dude calls every fucking day for like four weeks straight;" I doubt you'd leave your phone at your friend's for a month, and if you were uncontactable daily for a month then, yeah, I can understand them giving the job to someone else.

yladiz 9y ago

Both sides are at fault, and the parent should have been more direct with the recruiter, but the parent is also right -- after a few calls, no more than a week of missed calls and no response, the recruiter should have stopped.

dvt 9y ago

Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. If you don't want to pick up that phone (and have a potentially awkward conversation with some sleazebag recruiter that's trying to sell you on a shit job you don't want), don't. This reminds me of the people that think women (or men) that don't want to go out with them owe them some kind of explanation. No, dude. Get some social awareness and move the fuck on.

lambdas 9y ago
Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. If you want to ring that phone (and have a potentially awkward conversation with some immature developer that's not yet picking up on your opportunity), do it. Goes both ways.
dullgiulio 9y ago
It's not the same thing. You can skip a call out of the blue, but after you have had some kind of interaction, is really good manners to have open and direct discussion. Both professionally and in the example you mention.
crypt1d 9y ago
Sure, you can do whatever you want. That doesn't change the fact that people will consider u a prick and a coward if you ignore calls for weeks on end without any explanation.
blahbap 9y ago
> Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want No, that's being a child. Being a grown up means not only thinking about yourself
- tempestn 9y ago
  My thoughts exactly. Unfortunately these days it's clear not everyone feels that way.
elorant 9y ago
Life is easier when you treat people with respect.
macspoofing 9y ago
>Part of being a grownup is doing whatever the hell you want. Wait till you're a grownup and you realize how not true that is.
howlgram 9y ago
not fair that you are getting downvoted for a perfectly reasonable perspective, you are hurting some sensitivities here

bvm 9y ago

Recruiters are like the Booking.com of people though.

8draco8 9y ago
Recruiters are there for a reason. I respect them even when they are a little bit annoying. We as tech industry are so spoiled with jobs looking for us not the other way around that we forget how great it is to have a recruiter that you can call any time and ask for a new job and he will not stop until he will put you in the new position for free (for you of course). Remember they are just doing their job and we should respect that, so be kind to your recruiter, respond to an email, they will remember you as that guy who didn't wasted their time.
- wackro 9y ago
  > he will not stop until he will put you in the new position for free Let me tell you about my first experience with a recruiter. I realise this is only one anecdote, but it sums up their usefulness. As a fresh graduate I sent a recruiter my CV and he sent me two job specs. I applied for one and the company ended up making an offer. The salary was well below normal, the company's office was in the middle of nowhere in another part of the country, and I'd had to have moved out there and bought a car in order to do the commute. The deal was not a good one, but through the recruiter I negotiated higher pay. During this process I was warned about coming across as 'mercenary', and he made real efforts to get me to take the job quickly ('stop delaying', 'this kind of job won't come up again'). At the same time as having this offer on the table, I received a separate offer from a company I'd applied to independently, with a salary ~25% higher, great benefits etc, which I accepted, to the annoyance of my recruiter. Once you get talking to a recruiter, they really do put you through the booking.com experience. I accept their value. But it is limited.
- nnd 9y ago
  Unless we are talking about talent agents (which are rare in software engineering), the actual job of a recruiter is to work in the interest of his company. Then there are third-party recruiters and sorcerers who don't represent your interests either. "They are just doing their job" is a weak excuse. Most of the recruiters are doing such a bad job in matching the workforce with companies that they end up wasting everyone's time. The only reason why these brute-force approaches work is the surplus of demand in the current SE labour market.

kennydude 9y ago

It's quite funny how they'd keep trying for a month. They could just email, but insist on phone calls