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How white supremacist do you have to be, to be acceptably labelled 'malevolent'? * Enough to consistently regard ethnic minorities as threatening? * Enough to
by pryce 9y ago
How white supremacist do you have to be, to be acceptably labelled 'malevolent'?
* Enough to consistently regard ethnic minorities as threatening?
* Enough to consume white supremacist literature?
* Enough to endorse white supremacist literature to those around you?
* Enough to write white supremacist literature?
Your threat model is a caricature. When individuals with track-records like Thiel are selected for positions of power, it makes all of us less safe: No amount of domain expertise will protect us from Thiel himself.
- 55555 9y agoWhat the hell are you talking about? It reads like you are accusing Thiel of being a white supremacist. If so, please provide citations.
- pryce 9y agoI refer you Thiel's multiple published articles on multiculturalism during his time at Stanford for the journal 'Academic Questions', such as 'Multiculturalism and the decline of Stanford', followed by the book he co-authored called "the Diversity Myth", about how multiculturalism is horrific and how multiculturalism exists to destroy white culture, are where you should look if you wish to get a good idea of what is going on in that man's mind.
- belorn 9y agoIs anyone who prefer cultural globalisation over multiculturalism a white supremacist?
- aaroninsf 9y agoThere's an obvious correlation, and the language of the former is also used as cover for self-identified white supremacists who until recently found themselves obliged to cloak or mute their views. NB: that correlation is less obvious for those who have the "right" culture.
- 3131s 9y agoNot only that, but there is implicit violence in taking a "racial nationalist" stance in a country that is not and has never been racially homogeneous. These people couch their ideas in ostensibly neutral terms like "preserving white culture", yet how else is their ideal society attainable without the forced removal of non-white people? To expect that non-white Americans will adopt a worldview that involves leaving the only country they've ever known is obviously completely unrealistic, and of course it would never occur to these imbeciles that their own position entails going straight back to Europe.
- Banthum 9y ago"how else is their ideal society attainable without the forced removal of non-white people?" Um, how about just reducing immigration a lot and giving it time? It's not that complicated. I think you're just obscuring the obvious non-Hitler solutions because you want easy moral superiority. Easy to slag someone when you can pretend they just want to commit genocide. Much harder when you take their views charitably. But, this is common, which is why I generally agree with Thiel here: Nobody had ever tried to convince me otherwise, only accused me of wanting things I don't want.
- pryce 9y ago> Um, how about just reducing immigration a lot and giving it time? It's not that complicated. You have still completely glossed over what specifically you expect ought to to happen to the non-white people who already reside in whichever country you're talking about, and their descendents, and anyone they interbreed with, even presupposing some weird test for who does or does not count as white. I don't think it's inappropriate for readers to be quite alarmed about all of that. This is also completely ignoring crucial context about where these white people you refer to came from or which lands they should be entitled to, and begs the question of why white people should be the ones who get to turn their nation of birth into an ethnostate for them rather than the ones being excluded. Of all the things one might say about Ethnostates, the blithe claim that "it's not that complicated" is profoundly scary.
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- pryce 9y agoOf course not. But Thiel didn't write a book simply expressing a preference against multiculturalism, he wrote a book claiming that multiculturalism exists to destroy white culture. 'White culture is under threat' is a core belief of white supremacists.
- Kevve 9y ago>'White culture is under threat' is a core belief of white supremacists. It's also a well known fact. All you have to do is look at the demographic changes in Western countries. Wanting white culture to survive still doesn't make one a white supremacist. I even want Japanese culture to survive. Does this make me a Japanese supremacist?
- varjag 9y ago> Wanting white culture to survive still doesn't make one a white supremacist. You change the original point. Professing "white culture" is under threat and that other cultures should survive someplace else does indeed make you a white supremacist. The U.S. was multi-cultural from the start, even if some cultures (natives or blacks) wanted nothing to do with it. This is what made it later stand out and attract people all over the world. You can't re-neg it without turning into a genocidal shithole.
- jevgeni 9y agoWhite culture does not exist.
- Banthum 9y agoBlack culture does not exist. Is this statement morally equivalent? Why or why not?
- jevgeni 9y agoI don't think this is a moral question, but rather a question of reality. Black culture does not exist globally. Black culture of the United States does exist, because black people in the U.S. have a common history and common societal experience that binds them together. White people are too diverse a group to have one single culture. I am white and not from the U.S. Based on these facts people cannot guess what my values are, what my traditions are, whether people of my ethnicity were ever opressed or were the opressors, or even what language I speak, or what religion I have. Hence the term "white culture" does not make sense.
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