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>And they want management systems The funny thing is that they actually don't. Never heard of system administrator who prefers to use intel ME. Some people tol

by ss248 9y ago

>And they want management systems The funny thing is that they actually don't. Never heard of system administrator who prefers to use intel ME. Some people told me that there are better tools to manage computers in the datacenter for example and ime just not worth it. This is just an anecdata, but if anyone has any stories of using Intel AMT on a large scale (or actually on any scale even), i would really love to hear them.

shard 9y ago
I don't think system administrators are the customers, they are just the employees who keep the systems running. The customers are the upper management who has final approval on the purchases. The problem is likely that somewhere between the system administrators and the chain of management up to the top, one of the levels don't have enough political clout or was not persuasive enough to convince upper management to take a different direction.
- TeMPOraL 9y ago
  This. I had this situation in my career. Someone somewhere in the management chain decided that all computers need a full remote management tool installed behind employees' backs, and our friendly sysadmins didn't have any say in that; their job is to tell us to not have stuff that the remote management scripts identify as unwanted. In another place that I had to deal with for a while, someone had the bright idea to outsource IT to an external company. This meant all the computers software engineers used were a) locked up as much as they could be, b) alterations to some OS configuration (or hardware) required going through a third party service provider. I kind of understand the need for locking things up for regular computer users. I guess it also somehow adds up in the sheets to the upper beancounters. I also believe their math is totally bogus, because it doesn't count in the total destruction of productivity it causes for engineers of all kind.
  - ginreaper 9y ago
    Yeah. New project at my work is to get everyone onto a stripped down Windows 10 dumb terminal with IE and MS Office installed, no admin rights, no extra software. I flat out refused to upgrade. I'm a software engineer. You want me catting, grepping and manipulating files on OneCloud ? really? You want my VMs (also not allowed by default) to be stored in one cloud? Like... this was clearly not well thought out
    - exikyut 9y ago
      Think like a lawyer for a minute, consider the kind of work you need to do, and the maximum IOPS, CPU time, memory and diskspace this will all need. Now go spec out however many AWS instances of the required type(s). Now CC all-but-the-CTO on an email to accounting in reference to the new upgrade, asking for approval for this resource request. This will likely result in all kinds of interesting noises and prompt a confused meeting. "Why do you need all this?!" "The new machine won't be able to provide these facilities locally." "Can... can you continue to use your old machine?" "For a while, sure." "Well... what's changed? Why can't the new machine work?" "The new machine won't have local admin, so I won't be able to install arbitrary software." Insert sounds of manglement choking here. (Why do I feel I'm on TFTS...?)
stephengillie 9y ago
I've been a system administrator at several large and small companies, including a major cloud host. HN is the only place I've ever heard the Intel ME discussed in my professional career. I would actually like to have access to some of those features to help manage workstations.

by ss248 9y ago

shard 9y ago

I don't think system administrators are the customers, they are just the employees who keep the systems running. The customers are the upper management who has final approval on the purchases. The problem is likely that somewhere between the system administrators and the chain of management up to the top, one of the levels don't have enough political clout or was not persuasive enough to convince upper management to take a different direction.

TeMPOraL 9y ago
This. I had this situation in my career. Someone somewhere in the management chain decided that all computers need a full remote management tool installed behind employees' backs, and our friendly sysadmins didn't have any say in that; their job is to tell us to not have stuff that the remote management scripts identify as unwanted. In another place that I had to deal with for a while, someone had the bright idea to outsource IT to an external company. This meant all the computers software engineers used were a) locked up as much as they could be, b) alterations to some OS configuration (or hardware) required going through a third party service provider. I kind of understand the need for locking things up for regular computer users. I guess it also somehow adds up in the sheets to the upper beancounters. I also believe their math is totally bogus, because it doesn't count in the total destruction of productivity it causes for engineers of all kind.
- ginreaper 9y ago
  Yeah. New project at my work is to get everyone onto a stripped down Windows 10 dumb terminal with IE and MS Office installed, no admin rights, no extra software. I flat out refused to upgrade. I'm a software engineer. You want me catting, grepping and manipulating files on OneCloud ? really? You want my VMs (also not allowed by default) to be stored in one cloud? Like... this was clearly not well thought out
  - exikyut 9y ago
    Think like a lawyer for a minute, consider the kind of work you need to do, and the maximum IOPS, CPU time, memory and diskspace this will all need. Now go spec out however many AWS instances of the required type(s). Now CC all-but-the-CTO on an email to accounting in reference to the new upgrade, asking for approval for this resource request. This will likely result in all kinds of interesting noises and prompt a confused meeting. "Why do you need all this?!" "The new machine won't be able to provide these facilities locally." "Can... can you continue to use your old machine?" "For a while, sure." "Well... what's changed? Why can't the new machine work?" "The new machine won't have local admin, so I won't be able to install arbitrary software." Insert sounds of manglement choking here. (Why do I feel I'm on TFTS...?)

stephengillie 9y ago

I've been a system administrator at several large and small companies, including a major cloud host. HN is the only place I've ever heard the Intel ME discussed in my professional career. I would actually like to have access to some of those features to help manage workstations.