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It's hard to try to explain the true here when secessionists are brigading but you aren't serious, really. Since 1977, Catalans had participated in 35 free ele
by notspanishflu 9y ago
It's hard to try to explain the true here when secessionists are brigading but you aren't serious, really.
Since 1977, Catalans had participated in 35 free elections, and in 3 referendums. The Catalans have their own government, and there are politicians born in Catalonia successfully in the Spanish Parliament, and in the European Parliament.
Where you don't see freedom?
If someone wants to change the Spanish Constitution, there's a legal way to do it.
- kiliancs 9y agoCatalans will never amount to the number of votes you need to start such a change. This position amounts to prohibiting the exercise of the right to self-determination all peoples have.
- notspanishflu 9y agoThe so-called "right to self-determination" doesn't exist in the Spanish Constitution, nor in the International Law, nor in Comparative Law. https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/10/opinion/1412946101_991126.html https://elpais.com/elpais/2014/10/10/opinion/1412946101_9911...
- pvaldes 9y agoPerfect, as everybody can say anything for the "right" of this new thing, the "self-determination all people have" I require you to free the oppressed people of Ohio, quit the area right now, and anexionate the state to, for example, France. And if you do not agree to do what I want then I will shout loud that "this is not a democracy and all of you are nasty fascists". Happy? Yes, is exactly like that. Last year the catalan goverment spent 5 millions euro (stolen) from taxes of all spaniards in a similar "referendum" show. Money used against the interests of the same people that give it. Instead to pay schools and hospitals they bought cardboard urns, candies and fireworks and make a wonderful theater full of passion, and drama. Do we understand the meaning of the term "diversion of public founds and prevarication"? This year trying the same dirty trick again and take the freedom that all spaniards have by law to decide about their country. And of course they are the "victims" in a world that do not understand their uniqueness and fantasy extravaganza.
- fabianmg 9y agoAlso, no one had said here that the actual Catalan government didn't completely won the popular vote. They were quite benefit by the D'Hondt method.