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>This is a democracy. You and I do. Right, a whole bunch of biased people. You're making my argument for me. They don't all agree on what fair governance means

• dragontamer 9y ago
  > I'm not trying to sell you on anything. I'm trying to explain why people might have a reasonable concern about changing racial demographics. To be honest, your explanation doesn't seem very reasonable to me. > I've tried to explain that. If you expected that other racial groups were going to use their political power to benefit their own race at the expense of your race, which is a totally reasonable outcome to expect, you might be concerned for the well-being of your descendants. Seems to me the problem is unreasonably biased people. And yes, I agree they exist. The issue is you're stuck thinking that any other race is your enemy. That's not how it works. Most Muslims, African Americans, and whatever minority is out there, just want equality. And yes, white-people too. In general: most people want equality. This isn't a racial issue. Equality is a concept that unites everybody. There are a few bad apples out there: ISIS, Black Power, White Supremacists, NeoNazis, etc. etc. These people are all jackholes who favor their own race (or in ISIS's case: religion) over all others. We should create systems to find and demonstrate "Hate Groups" and creators of racial tension and use our abilities to stamp them out. ------------ The minute you start talking about "racial demographics are weakening my race" however, you break the peace and you've broken the idea of racial equality. Its not demographics that are a problem, its the individual jackholes and jackasses who manipulate our political system for their gain. Fortunately for America, these "haters" are in the gross minority. They're loud, they're proud and they show up in virtually every news story / protest. But their viewpoints are incredibly fringe.
  • seabta 9y ago
    >The issue is you're stuck thinking that any other race is your enemy. I am certainly not "stuck" thinking anything, and I never suggested anyone was my enemy. All I've suggested is that different policies will benefit or harm different races unevenly, and that in general people will be biased toward their own race. >just want equality You're not paying attention. I've already been over this. Even if they really do want equality, that's just a vague concept. It means different things to different people. There is no agreement over what objective criteria should be used to decide whether something meets the definition. When it comes down to deciding whether some policy promotes "equality", people are going to be influenced by their bias. You haven't once addressed this point. >Equality is a concept Exactly, it is just a concept. There are no clear, unambiguous, universally agreed upon criteria we can apply to some particular policy such that we would all come to the exact same conclusion. There is a whole lot of gray area, and that is where bias comes into the picture, even in the ideal scenario in which everyone is pro-equality. >These people are all jackholes... These people are the ones that publicly embrace their bias. They are not the only ones with a bias. Everyone has a bias. Not everyone is biased in favor of their own race, but most people are, consciously or not. >you break the peace The imaginary peace, which I have conclusively demonstrated cannot exist. >Its not demographics that are a problem Right, it's the fact that people are biased.
    • dragontamer 9y ago
      > Even if they really do want equality, that's just a vague concept. Well yeah. Justice, Equality for all, everything is a vague concept. There are entire books, parodies, and movies on this subject. Unless you're seriously suggesting to me that YOU don't understand the concept behind equality. But that's not the issue here. The issue is that you think no one else believes in Equality, or something. > All I've suggested is that different policies will benefit or harm different races unevenly, and that in general people will be biased toward their own race. And all we gotta do is work on politics and demonstrate viewpoints where things truly are equal, in a way that many people can agree upon. Its really not that hard. Bullies calling African Americans the N-word? That's not cool, chastise those guys. Racial Voting suppression going on in a certain area? F-those guys too, we shouldn't be trying to make one race have an easier time voting than another. Racial Quotas being suggested to be part of college-acceptance? That seems a bit like a bad idea to me. I mean, these are REAL issues that are addressed all the time in Politics. Each time, "equality" may be up for debate but society comes to a general, sane conclusion. --------------- I don't expect everyone's definition of "equality" to perfectly match. For the most part, I just don't want people to advocate the advance THEIR race at the detriment of other races. And politics is work. That means I have to work to figure out people's opinions, analyze their viewpoints, and make decisions based on that.