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Yugoslavia and Spain has nothing to do. For a start, we are a Monarchy . Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Yugoslavia had a terrib

Yugoslavia and Spain has nothing to do. For a start, we are a Monarchy . Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Yugoslavia had a terrible civil war and they broke in pieces. There was no reason to keep on together. Spain had a more terrible civil war and Spain still exists as it was before. The history of Catalonia says that they have never really fought for independence. They are always looking for economical benefits. Except anarchist which I think they really want to shock the system, the new-born "Indepes" will never stand up in arms to fight for the independence of Catalonia.

monodeldiablo 9y ago
> Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Don't condescend to me. I live in what was Yugoslavia. And that terrible civil war? I spend my days surrounded by its victims. None of them saw it coming. Nobody did until it was too late. > Spain had a more terrible civil war and Spain still exists as it was before. "More terrible"? By what measure? Half as many Spaniards died during the Spanish Civil War as were killed in the Yugoslav theatre during the same period. By the 1970s, the result was the same in both cases: A powerful federal state, ruled by a dictator, comprised of areas with strong regional identities. And in the most recent Yugoslav Wars? Sure, fewer people died than in Spain, but only because over four million fled. That's almost ten times as many displaced people as in the Spanish Civil War. Don't pretend that Spain has a monopoly on suffering or is somehow special. > The history of Catalonia says that they have never really fought for independence. Historians (and Serbs) said the same thing about Croatians and Slovenes right up until they walked out of the constitutional congress. I could go on... Listen, one of us is definitely ignorant of history, but it ain't me. I strongly suggest you read up on the events preceding the Yugoslav Wars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Background I think you'll find the parallels disconcerting.
- fabianmg 9y ago
  If you have such a huge knowledge how come you haven't mentioned a particular HUGE difference between Spain and Yugoslavia. In Yugoslavia one of the main reasons of the war and secession was RELIGION, in Spain there's no such clash between muslims and catholics.
  - monodeldiablo 9y ago
    Religion had little to do with it until after Slovenia and Croatia seceded. Religious and ethnic reasons were bolted on ex post facto to drum up popular support for what was, originally, an economic and politic dispute over increased autonomy.

monodeldiablo 9y ago

> Maybe you should start with the basics about European history. Don't condescend to me. I live in what was Yugoslavia. And that terrible civil war? I spend my days surrounded by its victims. None of them saw it coming. Nobody did until it was too late. > Spain had a more terrible civil war and Spain still exists as it was before. "More terrible"? By what measure? Half as many Spaniards died during the Spanish Civil War as were killed in the Yugoslav theatre during the same period. By the 1970s, the result was the same in both cases: A powerful federal state, ruled by a dictator, comprised of areas with strong regional identities. And in the most recent Yugoslav Wars? Sure, fewer people died than in Spain, but only because over four million fled. That's almost ten times as many displaced people as in the Spanish Civil War. Don't pretend that Spain has a monopoly on suffering or is somehow special. > The history of Catalonia says that they have never really fought for independence. Historians (and Serbs) said the same thing about Croatians and Slovenes right up until they walked out of the constitutional congress. I could go on... Listen, one of us is definitely ignorant of history, but it ain't me. I strongly suggest you read up on the events preceding the Yugoslav Wars: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Background https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars#Background I think you'll find the parallels disconcerting.

fabianmg 9y ago
If you have such a huge knowledge how come you haven't mentioned a particular HUGE difference between Spain and Yugoslavia. In Yugoslavia one of the main reasons of the war and secession was RELIGION, in Spain there's no such clash between muslims and catholics.
- monodeldiablo 9y ago
  Religion had little to do with it until after Slovenia and Croatia seceded. Religious and ethnic reasons were bolted on ex post facto to drum up popular support for what was, originally, an economic and politic dispute over increased autonomy.