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Interesting, here's a first-hand account of what's happening: https://streamable.com/zota1 https://streamable.com/zota1

by sergiotapia 9y ago

cholantesh 9y ago
From the perspective of a monk on the vanguard of the ideological attacks on Muslims, just to be clear.
- shallot_router 9y ago
  I never thought I'd see the day where a Buddhist monk in robes is calling for the genocide of "Muslim vermin". (I don't think he literally said "vermin", but that's basically the analogies he's using.)
  - Boothroid 9y ago
    I guess it must take a lot of wrongdoing to provoke a Buddhist monk?
    - shallot_router 9y ago
      Or a lot of tribalism?
      - Boothroid 9y ago
        Or a lot of jihadists?
        cholantesh 9y ago
        Do you actually know anything about the Rohingya or Burmese history?
        Boothroid 9y ago
        From what I've read Rohingya is an invented term used to describe Muslim Bangladeshi migrants, and was deliberately invented as part of a propaganda effort to accompany insurgency. I also note there seemed to be little coverage in the MSM when it was Islamic violence in play, but now the tables are turned it's wall to wall. Why the sudden concern now?
        cholantesh 9y ago
        >From what I've read Rohingya is an invented term used to describe Muslim Bangladeshi migrants, and was deliberately invented as part of a propaganda effort to accompany insurgency. There were Rohingya from Bengal who migrated into what's now Myanmar during the time of British rule, but it's not especially controversial among historians that they have origins there (arguably predating ethnic Burmese, who only arrived in the 10th century CE). What you're describing is the official position of the government of Myanmar, which I'd give a lot more credence if it was corroborated by a free press. >I also note there seemed to be little coverage in the MSM when it was Islamic violence in play, but now the tables are turned it's wall to wall. Why the sudden concern now? The 'MSM' published hundreds of stories in print, on the web, on radio and television every day. Did you view all of them? We're talking about half a century of conflict, after all.
        Boothroid 9y ago
        There are other sources that talk about the invention of the term Rohingya, not just the Myanmar government. I follow the news. Don't remember hearing wails of concern when it was Buddhists on the receiving end.
  - sergiotapia 9y ago
    So imagine what actually drove them to that.
    - cholantesh 9y ago
      Being a religious extremist and a nationalist with the support of a military junta behind him, probably.
    - __jal 9y ago
      I imagine it is the same thing that drove other acts of genocide, or for that matter, what lead to Heather Heyer's death: the politics of dehumanization and weaponized tribalism.
nkoren 9y ago
Watched for a few minutes. "Muslims are like African Carp. They breed rapidly [... yadda yadda yadda ...] Our entire race has been suffering under the burden of this minority..." That's grade-A genocidal rhetoric he's deploying. Good for observing that evil can wear any kind of face. Not good for much else.
- pavlov 9y ago
  That quote sounds like the average Breitbart comment, actually.
  - zo1 9y ago
    It's nothing compared to what you see in the comment section of news sites in rainbow South Africa.
- askdufuga 9y ago
  People are not evil simply for disliking aspects of other cultures or populations. For example, Americans enslaved Africans for hundreds of years. That is a claim of fact. I believe it is true. I believe slavery is bad, it should be stopped in all its forms (including as punishment for a crime), and I'm glad that the 13th Amendment was passed. Hating what white people did to Africans does not make me evil, in fact it's a morally superior position. To say that this guy is being evil, is like denying that slavery occurred because you're ignoring his claim of fact. You're effectively saying "No, Muslim populations in Myanmar are not attempting to take over the country by means of rapid reproduction. You are lying to gain support for genocide." Just because you disagree with someone's proposed solution (assuming that's what he's proposing), doesn't mean there isn't a problem. It would have been one thing to be opposed to the Civil War - maybe the costs were too high - but it would be quite another to claim slavery is moral, or that slavery wasn't going on, or to just ignore the whole issue and pretend that anyone who's encouraging war is evil. What if what he's saying is true? Would you support genocide? Would you be okay with large groups of people intentionally having as many kids as they can just to affect future demographics? Just because there's no good solutions, doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. At some point global warming may be beyond every solution, but that won't undo the facts or absolve humanity for its blame.

Interesting, here's a first-hand account of what's happening: https://streamable.com/zota1 https://streamable.com/zota1

cholantesh 9y ago

From the perspective of a monk on the vanguard of the ideological attacks on Muslims, just to be clear.

shallot_router 9y ago
I never thought I'd see the day where a Buddhist monk in robes is calling for the genocide of "Muslim vermin". (I don't think he literally said "vermin", but that's basically the analogies he's using.)
- Boothroid 9y ago
  I guess it must take a lot of wrongdoing to provoke a Buddhist monk?
  - shallot_router 9y ago
    Or a lot of tribalism?
    - Boothroid 9y ago
      Or a lot of jihadists?
      - cholantesh 9y ago
        Do you actually know anything about the Rohingya or Burmese history?
        Boothroid 9y ago
        From what I've read Rohingya is an invented term used to describe Muslim Bangladeshi migrants, and was deliberately invented as part of a propaganda effort to accompany insurgency. I also note there seemed to be little coverage in the MSM when it was Islamic violence in play, but now the tables are turned it's wall to wall. Why the sudden concern now?
        cholantesh 9y ago
        >From what I've read Rohingya is an invented term used to describe Muslim Bangladeshi migrants, and was deliberately invented as part of a propaganda effort to accompany insurgency. There were Rohingya from Bengal who migrated into what's now Myanmar during the time of British rule, but it's not especially controversial among historians that they have origins there (arguably predating ethnic Burmese, who only arrived in the 10th century CE). What you're describing is the official position of the government of Myanmar, which I'd give a lot more credence if it was corroborated by a free press. >I also note there seemed to be little coverage in the MSM when it was Islamic violence in play, but now the tables are turned it's wall to wall. Why the sudden concern now? The 'MSM' published hundreds of stories in print, on the web, on radio and television every day. Did you view all of them? We're talking about half a century of conflict, after all.
        Boothroid 9y ago
        There are other sources that talk about the invention of the term Rohingya, not just the Myanmar government. I follow the news. Don't remember hearing wails of concern when it was Buddhists on the receiving end.
- sergiotapia 9y ago
  So imagine what actually drove them to that.
  - cholantesh 9y ago
    Being a religious extremist and a nationalist with the support of a military junta behind him, probably.
  - __jal 9y ago
    I imagine it is the same thing that drove other acts of genocide, or for that matter, what lead to Heather Heyer's death: the politics of dehumanization and weaponized tribalism.

nkoren 9y ago

Watched for a few minutes. "Muslims are like African Carp. They breed rapidly [... yadda yadda yadda ...] Our entire race has been suffering under the burden of this minority..." That's grade-A genocidal rhetoric he's deploying. Good for observing that evil can wear any kind of face. Not good for much else.

pavlov 9y ago
That quote sounds like the average Breitbart comment, actually.
- zo1 9y ago
  It's nothing compared to what you see in the comment section of news sites in rainbow South Africa.
askdufuga 9y ago
People are not evil simply for disliking aspects of other cultures or populations. For example, Americans enslaved Africans for hundreds of years. That is a claim of fact. I believe it is true. I believe slavery is bad, it should be stopped in all its forms (including as punishment for a crime), and I'm glad that the 13th Amendment was passed. Hating what white people did to Africans does not make me evil, in fact it's a morally superior position. To say that this guy is being evil, is like denying that slavery occurred because you're ignoring his claim of fact. You're effectively saying "No, Muslim populations in Myanmar are not attempting to take over the country by means of rapid reproduction. You are lying to gain support for genocide." Just because you disagree with someone's proposed solution (assuming that's what he's proposing), doesn't mean there isn't a problem. It would have been one thing to be opposed to the Civil War - maybe the costs were too high - but it would be quite another to claim slavery is moral, or that slavery wasn't going on, or to just ignore the whole issue and pretend that anyone who's encouraging war is evil. What if what he's saying is true? Would you support genocide? Would you be okay with large groups of people intentionally having as many kids as they can just to affect future demographics? Just because there's no good solutions, doesn't mean that there isn't a problem. At some point global warming may be beyond every solution, but that won't undo the facts or absolve humanity for its blame.