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yeah, the worst kind of reduction in inequality -- stealing the work product legitimately earned by the developer. I'd say that a "people's revolution" is wors

yeah, the worst kind of reduction in inequality -- stealing the work product legitimately earned by the developer. I'd say that a "people's revolution" is worse but that's political. Someone going into your house and stealing all your electronics, and publishing your code also reduces inequality, I suppose you're ok with that? You wouldn't download a car... the mechanism of IP theft usually isn't taking something tangible, it's duplicating something. If you take my phone, it means I can't use my phone. If you copy my journal, I can still use my journal. They're categorically different. but in the manufacturing world, there are myriad opportunities to introduce bad variables. It's certainly remarkable that the Chinese company has produced a minimally usable tire, but I wouldn't trust my life to it without a lot more testing So I hope their IP theft team was good enough. But tires have to pass DOT certification so they meet some minimum standard. I'm glad to live in a country where I can decide what's right for me and you can decide what's right for you. But the knife of quality variability cuts both ways, sometimes major manufacturers have issues. The top of the line tires (Pilot Power 3) I recently put on my motorcycle we recalled [0]. Thank goodness they didn't fail on me, but I might have been better served by crappy tires than my defective Pilot Power 3 tires. Unless you have some analytical way to evaluate the specific tires you're putting on your vehicle, you have to take a leap of faith. It's not unlike handmade carbon bicycles - some of them have issues even from the best manufacturer, the quality difference is a measure of degree, not a binary function. FWIW, this Chinese tire manufacturer also makes FAA certified tires for airplanes so they have demonstrated the capability to make tires for demanding applications. [0]: https://www.consumeraffairs.com/tire-recalls https://www.consumeraffairs.com/tire-recalls

toss1 9y ago
>If you copy my journal, I can still use my journal. They're categorically different. maybe sub-categorically different, but not completely different. If I steal your journal, you lose a key property of it -- its privacy. If your journaling your life as a thief, you could lose your freedom, if you're journaling your life as a spy, you may die. But sure, you haven't lost your ability to use your journal! More importantly, if you have spent your time, effort, and savings do develop a new valuable process, and I steal it, sure you can still use it, but you LOSE the ability to use all of the profits that MY company now gains by selling products made of that same process. You lose your market advantage, you lose sales, you lose income. I watched this happen with a small high-performance engine producer who had their engines made in Taiwanese factory. They saw some identical models that were basically being made by their factory & sold out the back door. They called their factory and they stopped the sales. But the competitor now had a large enough bankroll to hire another factory to make similar designs. AAANND now, they have a half-priced competitor, much lower quality, but similar specs, and they can do less R&D. So, NO, your justifications that 'they can still use the thing that they had/have' are, to put it bluntly, merely bullshit justification for theft. And it seems that you just said it was OK to take and publish your code under my name? Care to publish your IP addr and credentials so we can freely access your journals and code to publish for ourselves (presuming that you produce something of value)? > quality variability cuts both ways yes, virtually every manufacturer has an occasional problem. The good ones have fewer, address them proactively, and don't wait to be forced by the govt regulators. Hope your Chinese guys are the former, but I wouldn't bet on it. Happy that your tire guys pass DOT and some FAA certs on their products; that is indeed a good sign. Still doesn't justify IP theft tho.
- alexanderstears 9y ago
  If your journaling your life as a thief, you could lose your freedom, if you're journaling your life as a spy, you may die. But sure, you haven't lost your ability to use your journal! Though to be fair, I'd lose my freedom or life because of what I did, not because of the thief. More importantly, if you have spent your time, effort, and savings do develop a new valuable process, and I steal it, sure you can still use it, but you LOSE the ability to use all of the profits that MY company now gains by selling products made of that same process. You lose your market advantage, you lose sales, you lose income. I'm well aware of the cost, though it's unclear whether society is strictly worse off. I imagine a lot of IP theft is Pareto superior - that shouldn't affect the calculus of whether or not we prosecute it, and I'm simply arguing about what could be. So, NO, your justifications that 'they can still use the thing that they had/have' are, to put it bluntly, merely bullshit justification for theft. Under my system, it wouldn't be theft. It'd be business as usual. It might even be better than the current status quo that asks rights holders to perform a lot of work to get their rights catalogued but doesn't do a ton for rights holders when their work is infringed upon. How much does a patent cost? Too much. How much does it cost to get an injunction at the WTO? If you have to ask, you can't afford it. And it seems that you just said it was OK to take and publish your code under my name? Care to publish your IP addr and credentials so we can freely access your journals and code to publish for ourselves (presuming that you produce something of value) If turn about is fair play. You can publish my code under your name if you permit others to do the same. The status quo is that IP laws exist and there are mechanisms to enforce it - those mechanism seem underutilized. If I had any authority in the United State or the WTO, I'd CHIMP OUT at what China's doing. Especially if I were in America and controlled a police force, I'd immediately start rattling the sabers. I'd arrest every Chinese person in America with affiliations to the Communist Party and I'd take the passport of every Chinese student (though I'd probably offer them U.S citizenship if they renounced their Chinese citizenship and really do a brain drain). I'd put the communist party affiliated people in bad conditions and use not-quite-tortue to force concessions out of China all while pounding them with an unrelenting cyber attack, very aggressive maneuvers in the South Chinese sea, and construction an iron dome of missile defense systems in every US aligned nation in Southeast Asia. What their doing is nothing short of economic acts of war and I would respond in kind.
toss1 9y ago
yes, I'd agree that a "People's Revolution" is a worse kind of inequality reduction.

toss1 9y ago

>If you copy my journal, I can still use my journal. They're categorically different. maybe sub-categorically different, but not completely different. If I steal your journal, you lose a key property of it -- its privacy. If your journaling your life as a thief, you could lose your freedom, if you're journaling your life as a spy, you may die. But sure, you haven't lost your ability to use your journal! More importantly, if you have spent your time, effort, and savings do develop a new valuable process, and I steal it, sure you can still use it, but you LOSE the ability to use all of the profits that MY company now gains by selling products made of that same process. You lose your market advantage, you lose sales, you lose income. I watched this happen with a small high-performance engine producer who had their engines made in Taiwanese factory. They saw some identical models that were basically being made by their factory & sold out the back door. They called their factory and they stopped the sales. But the competitor now had a large enough bankroll to hire another factory to make similar designs. AAANND now, they have a half-priced competitor, much lower quality, but similar specs, and they can do less R&D. So, NO, your justifications that 'they can still use the thing that they had/have' are, to put it bluntly, merely bullshit justification for theft. And it seems that you just said it was OK to take and publish your code under my name? Care to publish your IP addr and credentials so we can freely access your journals and code to publish for ourselves (presuming that you produce something of value)? > quality variability cuts both ways yes, virtually every manufacturer has an occasional problem. The good ones have fewer, address them proactively, and don't wait to be forced by the govt regulators. Hope your Chinese guys are the former, but I wouldn't bet on it. Happy that your tire guys pass DOT and some FAA certs on their products; that is indeed a good sign. Still doesn't justify IP theft tho.

alexanderstears 9y ago
If your journaling your life as a thief, you could lose your freedom, if you're journaling your life as a spy, you may die. But sure, you haven't lost your ability to use your journal! Though to be fair, I'd lose my freedom or life because of what I did, not because of the thief. More importantly, if you have spent your time, effort, and savings do develop a new valuable process, and I steal it, sure you can still use it, but you LOSE the ability to use all of the profits that MY company now gains by selling products made of that same process. You lose your market advantage, you lose sales, you lose income. I'm well aware of the cost, though it's unclear whether society is strictly worse off. I imagine a lot of IP theft is Pareto superior - that shouldn't affect the calculus of whether or not we prosecute it, and I'm simply arguing about what could be. So, NO, your justifications that 'they can still use the thing that they had/have' are, to put it bluntly, merely bullshit justification for theft. Under my system, it wouldn't be theft. It'd be business as usual. It might even be better than the current status quo that asks rights holders to perform a lot of work to get their rights catalogued but doesn't do a ton for rights holders when their work is infringed upon. How much does a patent cost? Too much. How much does it cost to get an injunction at the WTO? If you have to ask, you can't afford it. And it seems that you just said it was OK to take and publish your code under my name? Care to publish your IP addr and credentials so we can freely access your journals and code to publish for ourselves (presuming that you produce something of value) If turn about is fair play. You can publish my code under your name if you permit others to do the same. The status quo is that IP laws exist and there are mechanisms to enforce it - those mechanism seem underutilized. If I had any authority in the United State or the WTO, I'd CHIMP OUT at what China's doing. Especially if I were in America and controlled a police force, I'd immediately start rattling the sabers. I'd arrest every Chinese person in America with affiliations to the Communist Party and I'd take the passport of every Chinese student (though I'd probably offer them U.S citizenship if they renounced their Chinese citizenship and really do a brain drain). I'd put the communist party affiliated people in bad conditions and use not-quite-tortue to force concessions out of China all while pounding them with an unrelenting cyber attack, very aggressive maneuvers in the South Chinese sea, and construction an iron dome of missile defense systems in every US aligned nation in Southeast Asia. What their doing is nothing short of economic acts of war and I would respond in kind.

toss1 9y ago

yes, I'd agree that a "People's Revolution" is a worse kind of inequality reduction.