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> That's what you do when recommend people who program in a particular language should learn a new one 'to produce rock-solid tools (which they need!)'. Please

by vog 9y ago

> That's what you do when recommend people who program in a particular language should learn a new one 'to produce rock-solid tools (which they need!)'. Please refrain from strawmen arguments. You (deliberately?) left out the second part of my sentence that changes the meaning of your quotation by almost 180 degrees: "... more easily than with Shell scripts". I do assume that those shell scripts are rock-solid, because as a sysadmin you need them to be! But achieving that in shell language is so much harder than it needs to be.

falsedan 9y ago
If you say these things, but means something else, that's on you to adapt your communication, not on me to intuit your message. > But achieving that in shell language is so much harder than it needs to be. So, as an exercise, how about replicating this pipeline in python: seq 0 9 | xargs printf "%02i\n" | xargs -I% -P0 ssh -A dev%-useast1 "docker ps -a | grep -vE '(second|minute)s ago' | tail -n +2 | awk '{ print $1 }' | tee >( xargs --no-run-if-empty docker rm -f ) >( xargs -I% echo -e 'USER docker-reaper guest mode :Docker Reaper\nNICK docker-reaper\nJOIN #channel\nPRIVMSG #channel :removing % on $(hostname)\nQUIT\n' | nc irc.example.net 6667" )" > removed_containers
- vog 9y ago
  > If you say these things, but means something else, that's on you to adapt your communication, not on me to intuit your message. It is socially unacceptable to misquote. For that, it doesn't matter if you "just" left out important parts, or actively changed words. That kind of behaviour removes not just the bases of an insightful dicussion, but of any other form of communication as well.
  - falsedan 9y ago
    > It is socially unacceptable to misquote. No it's not. If your defense against writing a terrible thing is, "you have to understand it in context", it's still a terrible thing you wrote. Plus: it's ableist! You're putting the burden on the audience to hear/read your words without error, and to deduce your meaning correctly. I eagerly await your translation of that pipeline.

by vog 9y ago

falsedan 9y ago

If you say these things, but means something else, that's on you to adapt your communication, not on me to intuit your message. > But achieving that in shell language is so much harder than it needs to be. So, as an exercise, how about replicating this pipeline in python: seq 0 9 | xargs printf "%02i\n" | xargs -I% -P0 ssh -A dev%-useast1 "docker ps -a | grep -vE '(second|minute)s ago' | tail -n +2 | awk '{ print $1 }' | tee >( xargs --no-run-if-empty docker rm -f ) >( xargs -I% echo -e 'USER docker-reaper guest mode :Docker Reaper\nNICK docker-reaper\nJOIN #channel\nPRIVMSG #channel :removing % on $(hostname)\nQUIT\n' | nc irc.example.net 6667" )" > removed_containers

vog 9y ago
> If you say these things, but means something else, that's on you to adapt your communication, not on me to intuit your message. It is socially unacceptable to misquote. For that, it doesn't matter if you "just" left out important parts, or actively changed words. That kind of behaviour removes not just the bases of an insightful dicussion, but of any other form of communication as well.
- falsedan 9y ago
  > It is socially unacceptable to misquote. No it's not. If your defense against writing a terrible thing is, "you have to understand it in context", it's still a terrible thing you wrote. Plus: it's ableist! You're putting the burden on the audience to hear/read your words without error, and to deduce your meaning correctly. I eagerly await your translation of that pipeline.