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Yeah! Let those men and women making $55k a year pay for their "arrest insurance!" /s This is a terrible idea for so many reasons, I find it hard to believe it

Yeah! Let those men and women making $55k a year pay for their "arrest insurance!" /s This is a terrible idea for so many reasons, I find it hard to believe it was brought up. Part of the reason why Doctors earn/charge so much is due to the insurance they must carry. I am a first responder and I would gladly carry insurance if I was compensated for it. Taken one step further, I would now like to be compensated for the exposure to disease, injury, environmental toxins, and more. Maybe we should strike and show the public how much they get for $55k a year?

snakeanus 9y ago
> $55k a year This is actually a LOT. My mother who even has a PHD and works as a teacher only makes 16.8k per year.
- ouid 9y ago
  it's not, it's slightly lower than the gdp per capita for the US.
  - barrkel 9y ago
    Don't confuse mean with median. Someone earning the mean will be well above the median (i.e. earning more than most people) because the mean is skewed by the very well off.
    - ouid 9y ago
      I wasn't arguing that it was the mean, I was arguing that it's not a lot.
      - dsp1234 9y ago
        $55k is just under the median 'household' income ($59k), so it may not be a lot, but it's more than a lot of people have.
    - mikestew 9y ago
      Median household income in the U. S. is $56K. In this case, the point stands...kinda. But you're right, GDP isn't the way to measure, as GDP has been going up more than income. Which means someone is skimming, but that's a different discussion.
      - dsp1234 9y ago
        making $55k a year Median household income in the U. S. is $56K. So the person is making the same amount as the median 'household'.
- slamdance 9y ago
  if your mother has a PhD and only makes $17k/year, Its because she WANTS to in that She would rather do her job where she is at than move (geographically or career orientation-ally). People working fast food can make more than that.
  - snakeanus 9y ago
    Moving and finding a job in another country is not something trivial, especially if you get 17k/year.
BoiledCabbage 9y ago
This is a very emotion-based response to a rational post. I understand you are in the profession and it is important to you, but that shouldn't mean > This is a terrible idea for so many reasons So list some of the reasons, rather than just dismiss the idea. > I am a first responder and I would gladly carry insurance if I was compensated for it. So now it sounds like it isn't a terrible idea at all and you agree with it if compensated. The take away I get from this is "first responders are paid too little to be held responsible for their actions." Lots of professions are paid very little and are still held responsible for intentionally reckless or malicious behavior. > I would now like to be compensated for the exposure to disease, injury, environmental toxins, and more. Sure that's fine as well, but against has no bearing on a person being responsible for their actions. Again it sounds like a justification of "first responders don't have to be responsible for their actions because xyz other concern". And shouldn't your union be negotiating for compensation for these things? To me it sounds like exactly a viable solution. First responders must carry insurance for extremely negligent or malicious behavior, and should have an increase in salary across the board to cover average insurance cost.

snakeanus 9y ago

> $55k a year This is actually a LOT. My mother who even has a PHD and works as a teacher only makes 16.8k per year.

ouid 9y ago
it's not, it's slightly lower than the gdp per capita for the US.
- barrkel 9y ago
  Don't confuse mean with median. Someone earning the mean will be well above the median (i.e. earning more than most people) because the mean is skewed by the very well off.
  - ouid 9y ago
    I wasn't arguing that it was the mean, I was arguing that it's not a lot.
    - dsp1234 9y ago
      $55k is just under the median 'household' income ($59k), so it may not be a lot, but it's more than a lot of people have.
  - mikestew 9y ago
    Median household income in the U. S. is $56K. In this case, the point stands...kinda. But you're right, GDP isn't the way to measure, as GDP has been going up more than income. Which means someone is skimming, but that's a different discussion.
    - dsp1234 9y ago
      making $55k a year Median household income in the U. S. is $56K. So the person is making the same amount as the median 'household'.
slamdance 9y ago
if your mother has a PhD and only makes $17k/year, Its because she WANTS to in that She would rather do her job where she is at than move (geographically or career orientation-ally). People working fast food can make more than that.
- snakeanus 9y ago
  Moving and finding a job in another country is not something trivial, especially if you get 17k/year.

BoiledCabbage 9y ago

This is a very emotion-based response to a rational post. I understand you are in the profession and it is important to you, but that shouldn't mean > This is a terrible idea for so many reasons So list some of the reasons, rather than just dismiss the idea. > I am a first responder and I would gladly carry insurance if I was compensated for it. So now it sounds like it isn't a terrible idea at all and you agree with it if compensated. The take away I get from this is "first responders are paid too little to be held responsible for their actions." Lots of professions are paid very little and are still held responsible for intentionally reckless or malicious behavior. > I would now like to be compensated for the exposure to disease, injury, environmental toxins, and more. Sure that's fine as well, but against has no bearing on a person being responsible for their actions. Again it sounds like a justification of "first responders don't have to be responsible for their actions because xyz other concern". And shouldn't your union be negotiating for compensation for these things? To me it sounds like exactly a viable solution. First responders must carry insurance for extremely negligent or malicious behavior, and should have an increase in salary across the board to cover average insurance cost.