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(I repeat my comment here thanks to tertius advice). The government of Catalonia can hold a referendum following the Law. The problem here is that the governme
by notspanishflu 9y ago
(I repeat my comment here thanks to tertius advice).
The government of Catalonia can hold a referendum following the Law. The problem here is that the government of Catalonia is not following even their own regional laws approved by them, not to mention the Spanish Constitution.
The secessionists have even forbidden the opposition to participate in the debates in the Parliament of Catalonia.
Remember also that Catalonia has never been a nation.
- hectorlorenzo 9y agoThis I don't agree. Catalonia is a nation, it has never been a country. A nation doesn't require its people to live under the same government and sovereignty. Also, can you add some references to some of the more polemical claims (like "The secessionists have even forbidden the opposition to participate in the debates in the Parliament of Catalonia."). Thanks!
- notspanishflu 9y agoIf you can read Spanish, those news are in all newspapers.
- hectorlorenzo 9y agoYes, I can, but we are not the only ones in this room.
- notspanishflu 9y agoBut you're the only one asking knowing perfectly well the answer.
- amval 9y agoI cannot find English sources: https://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/politica/forcadell-pasa-de-los-servicios-juridicos-del-parlament-para-tramitar-la-ley-del-referendum_85715_102.html https://cronicaglobal.elespanol.com/politica/forcadell-pasa-... The session was televised. The oposition was constantly interrupted and not allowed to talk. They are not even respecting the laws from the catalonian parlament. But I guess they have legitimacy because they have the support of... half the catalonians? An example of democracy.
- hectorlorenzo 9y agoJust a disclaimer, this is one of the most far-right newspaper I've seen in a while.
- amval 9y agoThen you should read more, maybe. I can think of ABC, La Razón, Intereconomía, La Gaceta or Okdiario. Apart from pointing that out, is anything of what it says inaccurate?
- hectorlorenzo 9y agoIt's highly partial, and it says nothing about the opposition not allowed to talk. It does say that there was a bitter debate, though, and that it was interrupted twice. It only quotes members from parties against the referendum. And we have interruptions in every other session of both the Spanish and Catalan Parliaments, from all political spectrum. That's what makes Spanish politics so amusing. I have to say though that it'll be hard to find a partial accounting of the story, given the state of Spanish media.
- notspanishflu 9y agoThose newspaper are way more partial than the secessionist newspapers, because they're surviving thanks to the public money the government of Catalonia, in nationalistic hands, gives them.
- icebraining 9y agoI guess they have legitimacy because they have the support of... half the catalonians? That's more than any party in the national parliament :)
- amval 9y agoIs half the support of the catalonians again to secede from the rest of the country and not respect the inner laws of their parlament? Because, to me, it sounds like a coup d'etat.
- gasull 9y ago> Remember also that Catalonia has never been a nation. It is true that Catalonia has never been a country, contrary to the rhetoric of the Catalan nationalists. On the other hand, should it matter? If it did then new countries could never be formed.
- tertius 9y agoI think it matters if those wanting to be sovereign make the claim.