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"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are ov

"Be American, get arrested." It is truer and truer every day. I deliberately avoid a pathway or roadway if I can see a police officer there. These guys are overpaid, hyped-up, and ignorant of whatever law you cite when they wrongfully arrest you. The chief has their back, and suing them is expensive and risky. Plus you are in prison until you are allowed to post bail. To anyone who disagrees: 70% of prisoners are there for non-violent offences. Just go on youtube and watch videos of the things that cops do. Trust me, you don't want to be on the receiving end of state-legitimized force. It hurts whether justified or not.

ringaroundthetx 9y ago
I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise even if you were right" the club owner, the crowd and the police looked at me as if to say "who thinks like that", and the club owner stumbled over his words saying back to the guy that is he charges it back he won't be allowed in the club again who knows how the chargeback would have actually gone
- DanielBMarkham 9y ago
  Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep taunting the other guy. The other guy protested his innocence, but I noticed that he always stayed behind me. Every time the one guy taunted, I agreed and suggested they take it outside. I matched his outrage. After six or seven exhanges, each time the guy escalating his anger and my escalating my agreement, he finally cursed a bit and went over to the pool tables. Never saw him again that night. I think if I had tried to talk any sense into the him there would have been a fight, but by agreeing with him so much he finally realized all he really wanted to do was express how angry he was with this other dude.
  - vwcx 9y ago
    A strong reminder that as humans, in all our complexity and nuance, each of us have basic needs and a desire for empathy and connection. The need to be heard, and the ability to offer simple acknowledgement of someone else, is so underrated in modern life.
  - wand3r 9y ago
    I am a total steer into the skid guy. I like your anecdote but this plays out a LOT differently sometimes. The issue is when 2 "embrace the chaos" people are in the equation. Then in your scenario you as an unafiliated third party get dragged into some serious shit
  - jstanley 9y ago
    > when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. Sounds like something out of Fight Club.
    - DanielBMarkham 9y ago
      Sorry. I meant the guy to the left recognized the guy to the right, of course. Some background: I was at the bar with the guy to my right -- and he deserved to get his ass kicked. So not only was I in the middle of a developing fight, my options were three: 1) back off and watch my friend get a beat-down, 2) try to talk to this guy and calm him down, or 3) Take up for my friend and get into a fight myself I chose the option in the middle
  - grecy 9y ago
    Reminds me of the time I was sitting at a bar, facing some friends. A guy came up behind me and king hit the guy sitting behind me full in the face. I didn't see it, just the reactions of my friend's faces who saw the whole thing. Apparently my head was only inches away from being involved. ...The guy who got hit died, the other one was charged with manslaughter.
harveywi 9y ago
>70% of prisoners are there for non-violent offences. Free Bernie Madoff!
justaman 9y ago
Its actually really easy to not get arrested. You just need to follow the general rule of not being a dumbass. You sound like one of these neo-marxist jokes. What the police busted up your riot? Keep crying about how the police are a problem and don't bother calling them when your car gets stolen or someone breaks into your place. That'll work out for ya! Yeah search youtube and pretend that's an actual sample that isn't bias. Naturally people upload the fringe cases. I am American. Treat the cop like a human and you will be surprised. Not all cops are bad. Being a cop is basically agreeing to be terrified at all times for a living.
- monkmartinez 9y ago
  Thank you. I am not a cop, but I am a firefighter. I am consistently amazed at humanity... in meatspace, not in a positive way. Then I read about it in pixel space and shake my head in amazement once more. You nailed it. Don't be a dumbass... it is shockingly easy.
  - quuquuquu 9y ago
    Please see my other comment to the person you replied to. We are not dumbasses. Your experience is not reflective of everyone's experience. Next time there's a fire at my house, I would rather put it out myself than have you and your arrogance show up.
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  When a cop kicks down your door to serve a warrant at the wrong address throws a flash bang in your baby's crib and arrests you for "possession of marijuana", but it's really just cut grass from your landscaping job then you can come tell me how patriotic and American you are. Honestly I am trying my hardest to remain calm and professional when someone like you attempts to prove how all cops are great and all suspected criminals are scum. Please try not to be so aggressively uninformed. Your tacit support of the police is killing people. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-after-police-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-a... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-mistake-tomato-plants-pot-article-1.1338781 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-mistake-tomato-plan...

ringaroundthetx 9y ago

I talked someone out of a night in prison once. There was a payment dispute at a night club and the owner brought the police. The guy in question then started talking about their legal rights, and all the lawyers they know and thats where I interjected "you could just pay with your credit card and initiate a charge back, let the credit card company deal with it, because you'll still spend the night in jail otherwise even if you were right" the club owner, the crowd and the police looked at me as if to say "who thinks like that", and the club owner stumbled over his words saying back to the guy that is he charges it back he won't be allowed in the club again who knows how the chargeback would have actually gone

DanielBMarkham 9y ago
Sometimes the best way to avoid conflict is to embrace it, then channel. I was in a bar once, sitting at the bar enjoying a beer, when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. "Hey! Are you X?" "Sure." "I'm going to kick your ass!" I looked at the guy and said "Hell yeah! Why don't you guys go out into the parking lot and get this thing settled?" He didn't want to do that. Instead he wanted to keep taunting the other guy. The other guy protested his innocence, but I noticed that he always stayed behind me. Every time the one guy taunted, I agreed and suggested they take it outside. I matched his outrage. After six or seven exhanges, each time the guy escalating his anger and my escalating my agreement, he finally cursed a bit and went over to the pool tables. Never saw him again that night. I think if I had tried to talk any sense into the him there would have been a fight, but by agreeing with him so much he finally realized all he really wanted to do was express how angry he was with this other dude.
- vwcx 9y ago
  A strong reminder that as humans, in all our complexity and nuance, each of us have basic needs and a desire for empathy and connection. The need to be heard, and the ability to offer simple acknowledgement of someone else, is so underrated in modern life.
- wand3r 9y ago
  I am a total steer into the skid guy. I like your anecdote but this plays out a LOT differently sometimes. The issue is when 2 "embrace the chaos" people are in the equation. Then in your scenario you as an unafiliated third party get dragged into some serious shit
- jstanley 9y ago
  > when the guy to the left of me recognized the guy to the left. Sounds like something out of Fight Club.
  - DanielBMarkham 9y ago
    Sorry. I meant the guy to the left recognized the guy to the right, of course. Some background: I was at the bar with the guy to my right -- and he deserved to get his ass kicked. So not only was I in the middle of a developing fight, my options were three: 1) back off and watch my friend get a beat-down, 2) try to talk to this guy and calm him down, or 3) Take up for my friend and get into a fight myself I chose the option in the middle
- grecy 9y ago
  Reminds me of the time I was sitting at a bar, facing some friends. A guy came up behind me and king hit the guy sitting behind me full in the face. I didn't see it, just the reactions of my friend's faces who saw the whole thing. Apparently my head was only inches away from being involved. ...The guy who got hit died, the other one was charged with manslaughter.

harveywi 9y ago

>70% of prisoners are there for non-violent offences. Free Bernie Madoff!

justaman 9y ago

Its actually really easy to not get arrested. You just need to follow the general rule of not being a dumbass. You sound like one of these neo-marxist jokes. What the police busted up your riot? Keep crying about how the police are a problem and don't bother calling them when your car gets stolen or someone breaks into your place. That'll work out for ya! Yeah search youtube and pretend that's an actual sample that isn't bias. Naturally people upload the fringe cases. I am American. Treat the cop like a human and you will be surprised. Not all cops are bad. Being a cop is basically agreeing to be terrified at all times for a living.

monkmartinez 9y ago
Thank you. I am not a cop, but I am a firefighter. I am consistently amazed at humanity... in meatspace, not in a positive way. Then I read about it in pixel space and shake my head in amazement once more. You nailed it. Don't be a dumbass... it is shockingly easy.
- quuquuquu 9y ago
  Please see my other comment to the person you replied to. We are not dumbasses. Your experience is not reflective of everyone's experience. Next time there's a fire at my house, I would rather put it out myself than have you and your arrogance show up.
quuquuquu 9y ago
When a cop kicks down your door to serve a warrant at the wrong address throws a flash bang in your baby's crib and arrests you for "possession of marijuana", but it's really just cut grass from your landscaping job then you can come tell me how patriotic and American you are. Honestly I am trying my hardest to remain calm and professional when someone like you attempts to prove how all cops are great and all suspected criminals are scum. Please try not to be so aggressively uninformed. Your tacit support of the police is killing people. http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-after-police-grenade-dropped-in-crib-during-drug-raid/ http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/headlines/2014/05/baby-in-coma-a... http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-mistake-tomato-plants-pot-article-1.1338781 http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/cops-mistake-tomato-plan...