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Vivaldi 1.12 released

59 points by gaellelo 9y ago

matthew349hall 9y ago
They aren't going anywhere closed source.
s_kilk 9y ago
Vivaldi is looking better and better with each release. The only thing that seems to be missing is some kind of Profiles or Containers for partitioning identities.
- gcp 9y ago
  Given that Firefox is shipping this, are we looking at a reversal of the "Opera had it first" meme? :-)
  - Tomis02 9y ago
    It's unlikely Firefox will ever have the built-in features that old-Opera fans want in their browser, so it makes sense to support Vivaldi; it's the only realistic hope of having a decent browsing experience.
  - s_kilk 9y ago
    Yeah, I was thinking of Firefox specifically. I just can't go back to living without that kind of containment.
fimdomeio 9y ago
If there's anyone from Vivaldi watching this thread my one and only request: when I type www.youtube.com show me https://youtube.com https://youtube.com as the first choice and not some inner page that I bookmarked. I constantly enter youtube and hackernews via some page that I bookmarked ages ago.
- fimdomeio 9y ago
  Just saw the video and... "browser for rebels?" The hipster image histogram rebel, are you planning in integrating Tor or did the marketing guy just had to much coffee that day? I'm joking (mostly)... love the browser, thank you for your hard work.
  - chrisper 9y ago
    Why did you reply to yourself? EDIT: actually it appears you just posted at the wrong place
- towb 9y ago
  You can disable bookmarks showing up in the address field in the settings. Url auto completion could still be better though.
- aerique 9y ago
  I used Brave for a couple of months and it is really nice but at that time it was still based on Chromium and I didn't want to make that rendering engine any more popular than it already is. (Since you're indirectly supporting Chrome and Google.) I'm back at Firefox which feels about equal to Brave in day-to-day usage (with NoScript and uBlock Origin).
j_s 9y ago
Is anyone using a non-big-3 (Chrome/Firefox/Safari) browser enough to call it their default? I haven't tried Vivaldi yet but see this non-update hitting the front page as a heads-up that it might be worth checking out; how does this company pay the bills? I'm interested in hearing about both the options available on different operating systems and/or mobile devices and the primary benefit each provides. On Android, Firefox Focus has become my normal browser. I really don't use the phone to browse all that much, and prefer to use a clean session each time. On Windows, I use multiple off-label browsers[0] mostly just to compartmentalize different sessions simultaneously. Now that Firefox is headed towards supporting this as a first-class feature, I may be able to cut down to one again. I just can't bring myself to give Google/Chrome all of my browsing metadata, but I do use it for work-related access since GMail is tied in. [0] - Qupzilla, with separate-per-window sessions in private browsing mode - no extra work from me; also K-Meleon -- Edit: Thanks for all the testimonials; I will definitely be checking these out!
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  I use qutebrowser as my daily driver and I love it.
- tehno 9y ago
  Opera (on Mac) for daily use, because of 1-key shortcuts, mouse gestures etc that I'm used to from being long time Opera user. Chrome is on the side for all my webdev work (but references etc are open in either Opera or Dash). Keeps development stuff vs work/private surfing separate.
- quantummkv 9y ago
  On my desktop, vivaldi has been the default since 1.10. The amount of features baked in is incredible. The only extension needed is uBlock. Everything else like saved sessions that required extensions in chrome and firefox are just there.
- baldfat 9y ago
  I use it daily at work and QuteBrowser. They have worked really great for my needs. The backend is a basically a Chrome browser I don't see pages render incorrectly like I did with Opera.
Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
Still not open source? Still not interested.
- dzek 9y ago
  https://vivaldi.com/source/ https://vivaldi.com/source/
  - Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
    This gets linked every time, and every time it's still not the Vivaldi source code. This is their patched version of Chromium and is not sufficient for building the actual Vivaldi browser with.
mrmondo 9y ago
Certainly lots of features I'd enjoy but I couldn't find the source and builds logs so I was a bit dubious - after doing some research it appears to be closed-source and proprietary software. While I'm not saying it's bad because it's closed source, a web browser has access to a _lot_ of personal (meta)data and is certainly not something I'm about to trust to some black-box software that's not under review by the many.
- zizek23 9y ago
  Not saying your point is invalid but in the same context Google has access to all your stuff, including correlations to your mobile and location information and is not afraid to share it, as do others ie ISPs, possibly Microsoft. So for browsers controlling meta data on user end has limited value without rules and laws around user data.
  - j_s 9y ago
    Also: the most invasive parts of the analytics / tracking / privacy-invading aspects of Google Chrome are closed source.
    - tortasaur 9y ago
      You can use Chromium.
      - j_s 9y ago
        Sort of. Browse Against the Machine | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439098 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439098 (May 2017) > brynedwards: There are also patches for Chromium that remove Google integration and improve its privacy features (with links) | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439668
    - mrmondo 9y ago
      Indeed, it’s quite concerning how little this is discussed or talked about in a lens that’s interesting to the average person.
sigsergv 9y ago
Had been using it for a few years and recently gave up for firefox. A lot of small bugs and annoying glitches like url dropdown list that contains absolutely not relevant items or cursor jumping randomly while typing address. Since recent versions firefox introduced some standard features I missed a lot like flat compact tabs.
tomkat0789 9y ago
I tried Vivaldi a few weeks ago. My main problem with it was that it was missing some media add on (details escape me) needed to run Netflix on Linux. Firefox had it by default. I liked the UI and side tabs, but it's easier for me to stick to Firefox now.
ConfucianNardin 9y ago
Unless they fixed it recently, the location new tabs open in sometimes gets out of sync, so new tabs open in some unrelated position in the tab bar instead of next to the current tab. The performance of Vivaldi is abysmal if you use many tabs. If you get past 50+, the UI becomes really sluggish (really slow to open new tabs, for example).
thecrumb 9y ago
Does Vivaldi have sync yet? It's been years and every time I check - no sync.
- chakrihacker 9y ago
  not yet implemented
- dzek 9y ago
  In progress, there was a video shown of this feature
aembleton 9y ago
No tree style tabs :( They have tabs down the side, but I want them to also be nested. That for me is a killer feature on Firefox (with a plugin).
CoreXtreme 9y ago
Brave on Android Firefox on Desktop (switched from Chrome), new FF is as fast as chrome, plus I love the compact view of FF.
- dserodio 9y ago
  While I love FF, it's so much slower than Chrome on JS-intensive sites. The Chrome feature I miss the most is the Task Manager, so I can find out which tab or extension is hogging my CPU/RAM.
j_s 9y ago
Related (still just getting started?): https://otter-browser.org/ https://otter-browser.org/ Otter Browser aims to recreate the best aspects of the classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5 source: NetRunner: a web browser catering to powerusers | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000253 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000253 (Aug 2017) > urlwolf: Otter browser is pretty fantastic. Use the weekly for the best results.
digi_owl 9y ago
Reminds me that i should pester them about touch screen support on Windows tablets. And perhaps also a option for making the tab close button persistent.

59 points by gaellelo 9y ago

They aren't going anywhere closed source.

Vivaldi is looking better and better with each release. The only thing that seems to be missing is some kind of Profiles or Containers for partitioning identities.

gcp 9y ago
Given that Firefox is shipping this, are we looking at a reversal of the "Opera had it first" meme? :-)
- Tomis02 9y ago
  It's unlikely Firefox will ever have the built-in features that old-Opera fans want in their browser, so it makes sense to support Vivaldi; it's the only realistic hope of having a decent browsing experience.
- s_kilk 9y ago
  Yeah, I was thinking of Firefox specifically. I just can't go back to living without that kind of containment.

fimdomeio 9y ago

If there's anyone from Vivaldi watching this thread my one and only request: when I type www.youtube.com show me https://youtube.com https://youtube.com as the first choice and not some inner page that I bookmarked. I constantly enter youtube and hackernews via some page that I bookmarked ages ago.

fimdomeio 9y ago
Just saw the video and... "browser for rebels?" The hipster image histogram rebel, are you planning in integrating Tor or did the marketing guy just had to much coffee that day? I'm joking (mostly)... love the browser, thank you for your hard work.
- chrisper 9y ago
  Why did you reply to yourself? EDIT: actually it appears you just posted at the wrong place
towb 9y ago
You can disable bookmarks showing up in the address field in the settings. Url auto completion could still be better though.
aerique 9y ago
I used Brave for a couple of months and it is really nice but at that time it was still based on Chromium and I didn't want to make that rendering engine any more popular than it already is. (Since you're indirectly supporting Chrome and Google.) I'm back at Firefox which feels about equal to Brave in day-to-day usage (with NoScript and uBlock Origin).

j_s 9y ago

Is anyone using a non-big-3 (Chrome/Firefox/Safari) browser enough to call it their default? I haven't tried Vivaldi yet but see this non-update hitting the front page as a heads-up that it might be worth checking out; how does this company pay the bills? I'm interested in hearing about both the options available on different operating systems and/or mobile devices and the primary benefit each provides. On Android, Firefox Focus has become my normal browser. I really don't use the phone to browse all that much, and prefer to use a clean session each time. On Windows, I use multiple off-label browsers[0] mostly just to compartmentalize different sessions simultaneously. Now that Firefox is headed towards supporting this as a first-class feature, I may be able to cut down to one again. I just can't bring myself to give Google/Chrome all of my browsing metadata, but I do use it for work-related access since GMail is tied in. [0] - Qupzilla, with separate-per-window sessions in private browsing mode - no extra work from me; also K-Meleon -- Edit: Thanks for all the testimonials; I will definitely be checking these out!

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
I use qutebrowser as my daily driver and I love it.
tehno 9y ago
Opera (on Mac) for daily use, because of 1-key shortcuts, mouse gestures etc that I'm used to from being long time Opera user. Chrome is on the side for all my webdev work (but references etc are open in either Opera or Dash). Keeps development stuff vs work/private surfing separate.
quantummkv 9y ago
On my desktop, vivaldi has been the default since 1.10. The amount of features baked in is incredible. The only extension needed is uBlock. Everything else like saved sessions that required extensions in chrome and firefox are just there.
baldfat 9y ago
I use it daily at work and QuteBrowser. They have worked really great for my needs. The backend is a basically a Chrome browser I don't see pages render incorrectly like I did with Opera.

Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago

Still not open source? Still not interested.

dzek 9y ago
https://vivaldi.com/source/ https://vivaldi.com/source/
- Sir_Cmpwn 9y ago
  This gets linked every time, and every time it's still not the Vivaldi source code. This is their patched version of Chromium and is not sufficient for building the actual Vivaldi browser with.

mrmondo 9y ago

Certainly lots of features I'd enjoy but I couldn't find the source and builds logs so I was a bit dubious - after doing some research it appears to be closed-source and proprietary software. While I'm not saying it's bad because it's closed source, a web browser has access to a _lot_ of personal (meta)data and is certainly not something I'm about to trust to some black-box software that's not under review by the many.

zizek23 9y ago
Not saying your point is invalid but in the same context Google has access to all your stuff, including correlations to your mobile and location information and is not afraid to share it, as do others ie ISPs, possibly Microsoft. So for browsers controlling meta data on user end has limited value without rules and laws around user data.
- j_s 9y ago
  Also: the most invasive parts of the analytics / tracking / privacy-invading aspects of Google Chrome are closed source.
  - tortasaur 9y ago
    You can use Chromium.
    - j_s 9y ago
      Sort of. Browse Against the Machine | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439098 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439098 (May 2017) > brynedwards: There are also patches for Chromium that remove Google integration and improve its privacy features (with links) | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439668 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=14439668
  - mrmondo 9y ago
    Indeed, it’s quite concerning how little this is discussed or talked about in a lens that’s interesting to the average person.

sigsergv 9y ago

Had been using it for a few years and recently gave up for firefox. A lot of small bugs and annoying glitches like url dropdown list that contains absolutely not relevant items or cursor jumping randomly while typing address. Since recent versions firefox introduced some standard features I missed a lot like flat compact tabs.

tomkat0789 9y ago

I tried Vivaldi a few weeks ago. My main problem with it was that it was missing some media add on (details escape me) needed to run Netflix on Linux. Firefox had it by default. I liked the UI and side tabs, but it's easier for me to stick to Firefox now.

ConfucianNardin 9y ago

Unless they fixed it recently, the location new tabs open in sometimes gets out of sync, so new tabs open in some unrelated position in the tab bar instead of next to the current tab. The performance of Vivaldi is abysmal if you use many tabs. If you get past 50+, the UI becomes really sluggish (really slow to open new tabs, for example).

thecrumb 9y ago

Does Vivaldi have sync yet? It's been years and every time I check - no sync.

chakrihacker 9y ago
not yet implemented
dzek 9y ago
In progress, there was a video shown of this feature

aembleton 9y ago

No tree style tabs :( They have tabs down the side, but I want them to also be nested. That for me is a killer feature on Firefox (with a plugin).

CoreXtreme 9y ago

Brave on Android Firefox on Desktop (switched from Chrome), new FF is as fast as chrome, plus I love the compact view of FF.

dserodio 9y ago
While I love FF, it's so much slower than Chrome on JS-intensive sites. The Chrome feature I miss the most is the Task Manager, so I can find out which tab or extension is hogging my CPU/RAM.

j_s 9y ago

Related (still just getting started?): https://otter-browser.org/ https://otter-browser.org/ Otter Browser aims to recreate the best aspects of the classic Opera (12.x) UI using Qt5 source: NetRunner: a web browser catering to powerusers | https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000253 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15000253 (Aug 2017) > urlwolf: Otter browser is pretty fantastic. Use the weekly for the best results.

digi_owl 9y ago

Reminds me that i should pester them about touch screen support on Windows tablets. And perhaps also a option for making the tab close button persistent.