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It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized medicine. This is a forum populated primarily by hackers and people interested in s

It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized medicine. This is a forum populated primarily by hackers and people interested in starting or working at start-ups -- should we also have a single payer of all hackers? The notion is laughable, but it's put forth seriously when it comes to medical care. Like all problems of costs being "too high" this one is caused by artificially restricted supply (govt regulation of medical system) and skyrocketing demand (much of which is driven by the abysmal nutrition advice the US govt has doled out over the past 50 years which has only made 2/3 of the country obese and overweight). Control economies do not work, how much more evidence do we need before people stop saying "this time is different, we just need the RIGHT people this time"?

matchbok 9y ago
Name me a free-market healthcare system, please. I'll wait, because it doesn't, and will never, exist. Sort of sad how you fall for the trap of the "regulation" boogeyman. Regulation is what covers preexisting conditions, buddy.
comicjk 9y ago
I'm not in favor of single payer healthcare, but to say there's no evidence that it works is inaccurate. Healthcare in Canada provides the same health outcomes as ours for half the price. If that doesn't interest you because they do it with the wrong philosophy, you're an ideologue. In fact, the evidence that your proposed changes would give a 50% reduction in cost seems a lot slimmer than the case for straight-up single payer.
avs733 9y ago
>Control economies do not work, how much more evidence do we need before people stop saying "this time is different, we just need the RIGHT people this time"? The current system is just a different control economy. Companies don't really care about the cost because non-transportable health care is one lever of control that enables then to depress wages.
walterstucco 9y ago
A lot of things are wrong in your comment First, it's not socialist, healthcare is a fundamental asset in modern societies Having different healthcare standards for different social classes is detrimental for society development Second, public healthcare is not a single player system, is a decentralised system with many actors competing under the same rules If you don't believe me, just take a look at what happens in Japan or Europe or in Italy (my country, generally a disaster but second after Japan for average life expectancy) That's exactly what a hacker culture supports US healthcare reflects US mentality that market can fix itself so instead of net neutrality you're going towards net conglomerates
archagon 9y ago
It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized firefighting. It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized policing. It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized sanitation.

matchbok 9y ago

Name me a free-market healthcare system, please. I'll wait, because it doesn't, and will never, exist. Sort of sad how you fall for the trap of the "regulation" boogeyman. Regulation is what covers preexisting conditions, buddy.

comicjk 9y ago

I'm not in favor of single payer healthcare, but to say there's no evidence that it works is inaccurate. Healthcare in Canada provides the same health outcomes as ours for half the price. If that doesn't interest you because they do it with the wrong philosophy, you're an ideologue. In fact, the evidence that your proposed changes would give a 50% reduction in cost seems a lot slimmer than the case for straight-up single payer.

avs733 9y ago

>Control economies do not work, how much more evidence do we need before people stop saying "this time is different, we just need the RIGHT people this time"? The current system is just a different control economy. Companies don't really care about the cost because non-transportable health care is one lever of control that enables then to depress wages.

walterstucco 9y ago

A lot of things are wrong in your comment First, it's not socialist, healthcare is a fundamental asset in modern societies Having different healthcare standards for different social classes is detrimental for society development Second, public healthcare is not a single player system, is a decentralised system with many actors competing under the same rules If you don't believe me, just take a look at what happens in Japan or Europe or in Italy (my country, generally a disaster but second after Japan for average life expectancy) That's exactly what a hacker culture supports US healthcare reflects US mentality that market can fix itself so instead of net neutrality you're going towards net conglomerates

archagon 9y ago

It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized firefighting. It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized policing. It genuinely blows my mind that some of the top comments are pro-socialized sanitation.