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It could also be at least partly related to higher selectivity and more financial aid, and/or rich parents, that make school easier. But I dont actually know w

by nnfy 9y ago

It could also be at least partly related to higher selectivity and more financial aid, and/or rich parents, that make school easier. But I dont actually know what goes on in ivy and off ivy league elite schools. Also consider that these may just be better run schools which also provide more and more useful assistance to students. Edit: I would like to add I think this article title is extremely clickbaity, and plays on the recently resurgent class warfare phenomenon. It pains me that articles like this, from sources like this, are becoming normalized and even acceptable on HN. There's no merit to this biased pile of shit. And I'm not an ivy league graduate having a security crisis. Journalism should be objective.

kafkaesq 9y ago
There's no merit to this biased pile of shit. You may no particularly like the author's point of view -- but you looked carefully, you might have noticed it was placed in he "Perspective" section, which as the name implies, is dedicated to expressing what are commonly known as "points of view" -- otherwise known as "biases". Which, forming the very core of our cognitive processes as they do, are very far from flaws -- an in fact, when used properly, not just useful, but absolutely crucial to one's survival in this murky, deeply ambiguous and ambivalent world of ours. And at least the author gave some supporting observations to back up their (clearly labeled as such) point of view. OTOH the sentence you're offering above provides no insights or justifications; it is, quite literally, a pure expletive. Journalism should be objective. Should it, now? “So much for Objective Journalism. Don't bother to look for it here--not under any byline of mine; or anyone else I can think of. With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.” -- Hunter S Thompson
- nnfy 9y ago
  The fact that journalists are inherently biased as humans does not imply that we should not strive toward the opposite. I dont care either way for the author's point of view. I am bothered by the fact that a news source publishes so much in opinion, and that people end up more polarized after the article, not because of its factual content, but because of its vitriol. I believe it irresponsible to create and publish content like this, because it amounts to propaganda - I dont care side of our false dichotomy you are on, huff post is up there with breibart. Opinion pieces should not affect our beliefs as much as they do, but let's be real, communities feed off of opinion pieces. We all do, and I come to HN specifically to minimize my exposure to feel good emotional reinforcement that leads to irrational thinking. Sorry for the rant. Edit: your choice of quote may be more effective than you realize, I am a big fan of Thompson's persona. Ironic, I know.
  - kafkaesq 9y ago
    I think I get where you're coming from. But I didn't see the piece as 'vitriol', and I don't see HuffPo (while often annoying) as being anything like Breitbart (which puts out nothing but pure drivel and propaganda). Or the WaPo as comparable to either of those two. Sorry for the rant. Nothing to be sorry for; you're just being honest (both intellectually and in your opinions). And HST himself would probably agree that that's all that matters.
grzm 9y ago
One of the issues I think is that people no longer are making a distinction between opinion pieces (which this is) and articles. They're only looking at the domain name. Given that you describe it as an article, might you have done the same? (This isn't meant as a slight. We all have overlooked things at one time or another.) I'm not sure how to rectify this. To their credit, the publications still label them as such. Perhaps the labels should be larger.
akhilcacharya 9y ago
"Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won." - Warren Buffet [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/theres-been-class-warfare-for-the-last-20-years-and-my-class-has-won/2011/03/03/gIQApaFbAL_blog.html?utm_term=.ef573294e0e1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/theres-b...

by nnfy 9y ago

kafkaesq 9y ago

There's no merit to this biased pile of shit. You may no particularly like the author's point of view -- but you looked carefully, you might have noticed it was placed in he "Perspective" section, which as the name implies, is dedicated to expressing what are commonly known as "points of view" -- otherwise known as "biases". Which, forming the very core of our cognitive processes as they do, are very far from flaws -- an in fact, when used properly, not just useful, but absolutely crucial to one's survival in this murky, deeply ambiguous and ambivalent world of ours. And at least the author gave some supporting observations to back up their (clearly labeled as such) point of view. OTOH the sentence you're offering above provides no insights or justifications; it is, quite literally, a pure expletive. Journalism should be objective. Should it, now? “So much for Objective Journalism. Don't bother to look for it here--not under any byline of mine; or anyone else I can think of. With the possible exception of things like box scores, race results, and stock market tabulations, there is no such thing as Objective Journalism. The phrase itself is a pompous contradiction in terms.” -- Hunter S Thompson

nnfy 9y ago
The fact that journalists are inherently biased as humans does not imply that we should not strive toward the opposite. I dont care either way for the author's point of view. I am bothered by the fact that a news source publishes so much in opinion, and that people end up more polarized after the article, not because of its factual content, but because of its vitriol. I believe it irresponsible to create and publish content like this, because it amounts to propaganda - I dont care side of our false dichotomy you are on, huff post is up there with breibart. Opinion pieces should not affect our beliefs as much as they do, but let's be real, communities feed off of opinion pieces. We all do, and I come to HN specifically to minimize my exposure to feel good emotional reinforcement that leads to irrational thinking. Sorry for the rant. Edit: your choice of quote may be more effective than you realize, I am a big fan of Thompson's persona. Ironic, I know.
- kafkaesq 9y ago
  I think I get where you're coming from. But I didn't see the piece as 'vitriol', and I don't see HuffPo (while often annoying) as being anything like Breitbart (which puts out nothing but pure drivel and propaganda). Or the WaPo as comparable to either of those two. Sorry for the rant. Nothing to be sorry for; you're just being honest (both intellectually and in your opinions). And HST himself would probably agree that that's all that matters.

grzm 9y ago

One of the issues I think is that people no longer are making a distinction between opinion pieces (which this is) and articles. They're only looking at the domain name. Given that you describe it as an article, might you have done the same? (This isn't meant as a slight. We all have overlooked things at one time or another.) I'm not sure how to rectify this. To their credit, the publications still label them as such. Perhaps the labels should be larger.

akhilcacharya 9y ago

"Actually, there’s been class warfare going on for the last 20 years, and my class has won." - Warren Buffet [0]: https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/theres-been-class-warfare-for-the-last-20-years-and-my-class-has-won/2011/03/03/gIQApaFbAL_blog.html?utm_term=.ef573294e0e1 https://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/plum-line/post/theres-b...