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I don't know about emacs (never tried it), but I really disagree with vim. I keep saying this on Hacker News over and over again but go to your terminal, type i

I don't know about emacs (never tried it), but I really disagree with vim. I keep saying this on Hacker News over and over again but go to your terminal, type in vimtutor and 30 minutes later you can survive in vim and not flip out anymore. Mastering vim or becoming pretty good in vim, seems quite a bit more difficult. I've given up on vim 5 times, until someone on HN suggested me vimtutor. It really taught me the value in good educational content.

jackmott 9y ago
you need to master it though before it stops being a productivity hindrance if you have already mastered an IDE with first class support for your language.
- quickthrower2 9y ago
  That's why I gave up on Vim at work vs Visual Studio. But it's my go to for Haskell projects. What I like best about vim is the startup speed and fewer reaches for the mouse. I do like using the mouse to select a large block of text to indent tho!
  - caconym_ 9y ago
    I use Vim everywhere and if I want IDE stuff I use VSCode at home and IntelliJ IDEA at work but you can pry my Vim bindings from my cold dead hands regardless of the editor I'm using. Putting in the time to learn (it wasn't even that long until I was productive again, maybe one day of work) is one of the best decisions I ever made.
  - scruple 9y ago
    VsVim is pretty decent if you're using Visual Studio. It gives you modal editing and support for a healthy subset of vim keybindings. I was doing some C#/.NET work a couple of years ago and VsVim was a lifesaver.
Jtsummers 9y ago
C-h t (ctrl+h then t). This will bring you to the emacs tutorial. It's similar to vimtutor but covers primary emacs usage.
saiprashanth93 9y ago
Learning Vim using vimtutor is one thing for people coming from editors like Sublime/Atom, but setting up vim so that autocomplete/File Tree/FileSearch work like expected is a whole different ball game.
- empthought 9y ago
  And at that point one may as well leverage the work of the hundreds of developers at JetBrains or Microsoft and use a real IDE.
rnet85 9y ago
This is exactly his point. Taking the initiative and spending time to learn something like vim, not giving up, looking for tutorials and working through them just shows the person is willing to endure some hardship to gain something good in return.
- bJGVygG7MQVF8c 9y ago
  Yup. > insert joke about how using emacs or vim probably led to natural selection weeding out all but the most committed programmers or how the bad vim programmers uh.... /joke/?

jackmott 9y ago

you need to master it though before it stops being a productivity hindrance if you have already mastered an IDE with first class support for your language.

quickthrower2 9y ago
That's why I gave up on Vim at work vs Visual Studio. But it's my go to for Haskell projects. What I like best about vim is the startup speed and fewer reaches for the mouse. I do like using the mouse to select a large block of text to indent tho!
- caconym_ 9y ago
  I use Vim everywhere and if I want IDE stuff I use VSCode at home and IntelliJ IDEA at work but you can pry my Vim bindings from my cold dead hands regardless of the editor I'm using. Putting in the time to learn (it wasn't even that long until I was productive again, maybe one day of work) is one of the best decisions I ever made.
- scruple 9y ago
  VsVim is pretty decent if you're using Visual Studio. It gives you modal editing and support for a healthy subset of vim keybindings. I was doing some C#/.NET work a couple of years ago and VsVim was a lifesaver.

Jtsummers 9y ago

C-h t (ctrl+h then t). This will bring you to the emacs tutorial. It's similar to vimtutor but covers primary emacs usage.

saiprashanth93 9y ago

Learning Vim using vimtutor is one thing for people coming from editors like Sublime/Atom, but setting up vim so that autocomplete/File Tree/FileSearch work like expected is a whole different ball game.

empthought 9y ago
And at that point one may as well leverage the work of the hundreds of developers at JetBrains or Microsoft and use a real IDE.

rnet85 9y ago

This is exactly his point. Taking the initiative and spending time to learn something like vim, not giving up, looking for tutorials and working through them just shows the person is willing to endure some hardship to gain something good in return.

bJGVygG7MQVF8c 9y ago
Yup. > insert joke about how using emacs or vim probably led to natural selection weeding out all but the most committed programmers or how the bad vim programmers uh.... /joke/?