That's great, but I think you hit on exactly the point the parent was making: to use emacs / vim effectively, you need to do things like learn lisp or spend cou

That's great, but I think you hit on exactly the point the parent was making: to use emacs / vim effectively, you need to do things like learn lisp or spend countless hours tinkering and customizing. IDEs like vscode already come with some great defaults so it gets the full gamut from newbies to gurus. I think the parent was just saying that the emacs / vim group doesn't have the low end of that gamut watering them down.