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It won't be long before traditional grease-monkey mechanics are replaced by code-monkeys. The advances in automotive technology within the last three to five y

by KoZeN 16y ago

It won't be long before traditional grease-monkey mechanics are replaced by code-monkeys. The advances in automotive technology within the last three to five years have been staggering. I'm genuinely looking forward to seeing what cars my kids will be driving, or not, as is the case here!

thefool 16y ago
yeah, but they are now no longer really tinker-able, or even fixable, because so much of their operation cannot be discerned. So when they do break the headaches are much bigger.
michaelkeenan 16y ago
If you'd like to learn more about how autonomous cars will change the world, I strongly recommend the robocar essays of Brad Templeton: http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/ http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/ Highlights: -Cars that don't crash due to human error would save 40,000 lives and a million injuries (NIH). Mostly young people, for whom car accidents are the leading cause of death among major categories. -Not crashing would save 230 billion dollars of accident cost (NTSB). About 2-3% of GDP. -Not driving would free up 50 billion hours (or 1 trillion dollars) of people's time. Around 8% of GDP. -Electric cars (more feasible when the car can go to a service station when it's not being used, because one of the major problems with electric cars is that storing lots of energy in a battery is difficult) would save 50 billion gallons of imported gasoline, replaced with the equivalent of 5 billion "gallons" of domestic-source power plant fuel. Thus eliminating about 12-15% of the USA's CO2 emissions and nastier pollution. -There would be a serious reduction in the urban land devoted to the ~600 million parking spaces, estimated to be up to 10% of urban land in many cities.
- aidenn0 16y ago
  I thought about this though and there is a serious problem. Let's say I've created a robo car system that is 100x less likely to be involved in an at-fault accident. If everyone installed the system nationwide, I would be assuming about 2.3 billion dollars (1% of the accident cost figure quoted above) in liability. However, that's not likely to happen since the first time such a system fails and crashes it would be horrible publicity that would put me out of business.
  - sp332 16y ago
    Computers won't get legal rights (ability to own property, etc.) by proving that they are intelligent, or able to feel, or whatever. It will be for liability purposes!
  - michaelkeenan 16y ago
    Yes, I think that will slow the adoption of robocars significantly, especially in the USA. See Templeton's section on liability in the essay on problems with robocars: http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/roadblocks.html http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/roadblocks.html "[Robocars may first be adopted in] other countries, such as China, Singapore, India or Japan. These high-tech countries have very different liability systems, and indeed very different forms of lawmaking that can simply wipe away the liability problem with the wave of a pen."
logic 16y ago
ECU (engine control unit) hacking is a hobby of mine; I'd like to point out that those of us with keyboards are actually starting to replace the grease-monkeys, or at least supplement them. (But there will always be a need to get your hands dirty if automotive construction and modification are your thing.)

by KoZeN 16y ago

thefool 16y ago

yeah, but they are now no longer really tinker-able, or even fixable, because so much of their operation cannot be discerned. So when they do break the headaches are much bigger.

michaelkeenan 16y ago

If you'd like to learn more about how autonomous cars will change the world, I strongly recommend the robocar essays of Brad Templeton: http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/ http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/ Highlights: -Cars that don't crash due to human error would save 40,000 lives and a million injuries (NIH). Mostly young people, for whom car accidents are the leading cause of death among major categories. -Not crashing would save 230 billion dollars of accident cost (NTSB). About 2-3% of GDP. -Not driving would free up 50 billion hours (or 1 trillion dollars) of people's time. Around 8% of GDP. -Electric cars (more feasible when the car can go to a service station when it's not being used, because one of the major problems with electric cars is that storing lots of energy in a battery is difficult) would save 50 billion gallons of imported gasoline, replaced with the equivalent of 5 billion "gallons" of domestic-source power plant fuel. Thus eliminating about 12-15% of the USA's CO2 emissions and nastier pollution. -There would be a serious reduction in the urban land devoted to the ~600 million parking spaces, estimated to be up to 10% of urban land in many cities.

aidenn0 16y ago
I thought about this though and there is a serious problem. Let's say I've created a robo car system that is 100x less likely to be involved in an at-fault accident. If everyone installed the system nationwide, I would be assuming about 2.3 billion dollars (1% of the accident cost figure quoted above) in liability. However, that's not likely to happen since the first time such a system fails and crashes it would be horrible publicity that would put me out of business.
- sp332 16y ago
  Computers won't get legal rights (ability to own property, etc.) by proving that they are intelligent, or able to feel, or whatever. It will be for liability purposes!
- michaelkeenan 16y ago
  Yes, I think that will slow the adoption of robocars significantly, especially in the USA. See Templeton's section on liability in the essay on problems with robocars: http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/roadblocks.html http://www.templetons.com/brad/robocars/roadblocks.html "[Robocars may first be adopted in] other countries, such as China, Singapore, India or Japan. These high-tech countries have very different liability systems, and indeed very different forms of lawmaking that can simply wipe away the liability problem with the wave of a pen."

logic 16y ago

ECU (engine control unit) hacking is a hobby of mine; I'd like to point out that those of us with keyboards are actually starting to replace the grease-monkeys, or at least supplement them. (But there will always be a need to get your hands dirty if automotive construction and modification are your thing.)