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China will nationalize the domestic creation of Bitcoin. This is their sphere of influence. Thus they will control the domestic production of bitcoins. This nat

China will nationalize the domestic creation of Bitcoin. This is their sphere of influence. Thus they will control the domestic production of bitcoins. This nationalization will kick off the next leg up of the exponential growth for bitcoin. Just as the US Marshals auctioning off the Silk Road coins established legality in the American market. China will want to control capital flight and will use bitcoin as the release valve for their outrageously overhigh investment in US Treasuries.

tboyd47 9y ago
Bitcoins are not like some manufactured physical item where a group of people can collectively seize the means of production with force to control supply of said item. It would be kind of funny if the CCP views it that way but I doubt they do. They probably have more knowledge about how Bitcoin works than everybody on HN combined.
- tannerbrockwell 9y ago
  The miner's mining Rig's are plugged into the state controlled power grid. If China wants to control the means of production, they simply follow the power hogs, remember we're talking about operations that are industrial scale. The small players have 500+ mining rigs alone. The means of production will be seized. Existing coins are a toss-up. Although since the penalty could be a death sentence, I'm sure the business's that have these will comply with what ever orders follow.
  - tboyd47 9y ago
    You are still thinking about this in terms of a physical object. Miners don't "produce" anything except in the same sense that I "produce" the answer to a crossword puzzle. You can take away my pencil but it doesn't make the puzzle unsolvable.
    - tannerbrockwell 9y ago
      Dude. The mining rigs are physical. All I said was that China will seize the 'means of production' so they control the manufacture domestically. It's a phrase that was used a lot to describe the basic tenets of different types of economy and harkens to a time when industrialization was a major focus of the first world and people trying to find their place in an industrial society. The "means of production" phrase has been distilled and entered the zeitgeist as a way to talk about communism.
      - tboyd47 9y ago
        Yep, thanks, I'm aware of the history of the term. Think back to what I said about crossword puzzles. If China had a world-class crossword puzzle team, winning every competition, why on earth would they seize their own team's pencils? It wouldn't stop the competitions from happening, and it wouldn't stop other teams from winning them. I'm not trying to be a pedantic prick on the internet, so please excuse me if I'm coming off that way, but I enjoy this topic a lot, probably too much.
        tannerbrockwell 9y ago
        Because it is the most efficient way to build a reserve of a limited commodity (bitcoin) that has a much longer exponential curve to expand along. Currently, the Chinese miners are operating as a business to squeeze a margin out of the discounted electricity available in China. It is in China's interests to treat this as a national resource wherein it is produced domestically. My thesis is NOT that they want to control Bitcoin, only the domestic production for their long term national interests. Remember mining will continue until approximately 2140, that is a significant horizon to look at.
        tboyd47 9y ago
        Thanks for explaining! I finally understand what you were saying and it actually makes a lot of sense.
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tboyd47 9y ago

Bitcoins are not like some manufactured physical item where a group of people can collectively seize the means of production with force to control supply of said item. It would be kind of funny if the CCP views it that way but I doubt they do. They probably have more knowledge about how Bitcoin works than everybody on HN combined.

tannerbrockwell 9y ago
The miner's mining Rig's are plugged into the state controlled power grid. If China wants to control the means of production, they simply follow the power hogs, remember we're talking about operations that are industrial scale. The small players have 500+ mining rigs alone. The means of production will be seized. Existing coins are a toss-up. Although since the penalty could be a death sentence, I'm sure the business's that have these will comply with what ever orders follow.
- tboyd47 9y ago
  You are still thinking about this in terms of a physical object. Miners don't "produce" anything except in the same sense that I "produce" the answer to a crossword puzzle. You can take away my pencil but it doesn't make the puzzle unsolvable.
  - tannerbrockwell 9y ago
    Dude. The mining rigs are physical. All I said was that China will seize the 'means of production' so they control the manufacture domestically. It's a phrase that was used a lot to describe the basic tenets of different types of economy and harkens to a time when industrialization was a major focus of the first world and people trying to find their place in an industrial society. The "means of production" phrase has been distilled and entered the zeitgeist as a way to talk about communism.
    - tboyd47 9y ago
      Yep, thanks, I'm aware of the history of the term. Think back to what I said about crossword puzzles. If China had a world-class crossword puzzle team, winning every competition, why on earth would they seize their own team's pencils? It wouldn't stop the competitions from happening, and it wouldn't stop other teams from winning them. I'm not trying to be a pedantic prick on the internet, so please excuse me if I'm coming off that way, but I enjoy this topic a lot, probably too much.
      - tannerbrockwell 9y ago
        Because it is the most efficient way to build a reserve of a limited commodity (bitcoin) that has a much longer exponential curve to expand along. Currently, the Chinese miners are operating as a business to squeeze a margin out of the discounted electricity available in China. It is in China's interests to treat this as a national resource wherein it is produced domestically. My thesis is NOT that they want to control Bitcoin, only the domestic production for their long term national interests. Remember mining will continue until approximately 2140, that is a significant horizon to look at.
        tboyd47 9y ago
        Thanks for explaining! I finally understand what you were saying and it actually makes a lot of sense.
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