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I find it hilarious that every time Apple does anything like this, people complain and Apple still sets record sales. You're fundamentally wrong and Apple knows

by 013a 9y ago

I find it hilarious that every time Apple does anything like this, people complain and Apple still sets record sales. You're fundamentally wrong and Apple knows it. They can rip the headphone jack out. They can deprecate 32 bit apps. They can remove TouchID. They can block installing third party apps. Keep complaining; neither they nor their customers care.

sgift 9y ago
Your comment reminds me of a time when the same was said about Microsoft. It will be interesting to see when/if Apple falls the same way MS did.
- oneeyedpigeon 9y ago
  I think Apple has a far greater advantage than MS did (if not quite the marketshare, although the markets are different). MS was never seen as 'cool' or an aspirational status symbol like Apple products are.
  - sgift 9y ago
    Fair point. I always thought that was mainly due to Steve Jobs, but so far it looks like they're able to stay one without him.
  - pjmlp 9y ago
    > MS was never seen as 'cool' or an aspirational status symbol like Apple products are. Sure it was. In Portugal during the 90's, there were lots of CS students applying to work there. Apple not so much, specially since they were about to close, and except for the Interlog shops in Lisbon, it was almost impossible to get an affordable device in a country where the average salary was about 400 euros on today's money.
- fasquoika 9y ago
  >if Apple falls the same way MS did Are we thinking of the same MS?
  - irrational 9y ago
    What MS are you thinking of? Back in the day (I'm thinking 20 years ago), anything MS said was law. They had the power to destroy all other browsers so we were left with just IE6 for so many years. MS no longer has that kind of power. They can no longer dictate the technological landscape like they used to be able to do. Now the landscape is dictated by standards and consensus set forth by Google, Facebook, Apple, MS, etc.
  - bernadus_edwin 9y ago
    Ms only fall on mobile platform. Desktop app has good backward compartibility. Because of politic inside microsoft, every version of mobile platform has different language. Wp6.5 wp7 wp 7.1 wp8 win10 . 5 times must change the source code make developer escape to android. Microsoft at that era was untrusted
- jernfrost 9y ago
  That is rubbish, Microsoft never acted like this. They allways favoured backwards compatibility. Apple OTOH has behaved this through their entire existence. Yet Apple still grew to a large company. Quite the contrary it is this behaviour which has saved Apple. It made sure they could move forward with new technology quickly. MS moves slowely because they accumulate so much cruft pulling them down. That is the flip side of always being backwards compatible and "nice" to the customers.
  - masklinn 9y ago
    > Apple OTOH has behaved this through their entire existence. Rosetta, Carbon and the Mac 68k Emulator are examples of the exact opposite. Apple does not hesitate moving forwards, but historically they provided large amounts of backwards compatibility, just not as cruft inside the existing system.
    - X-Istence 9y ago
      Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases. 32 bit support for applications in iOS was also supported for a couple of releases and is now gone. How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date...
      - masklinn 9y ago
        > Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases. 4 years. > How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date... iOS 11 removed 32b support to hardware which supports it, Rosetta added PPC support to hardware which did not. Something similar to Rosetta would be emulating Aarch32 after having removed hardware support for it, not removing software support for Aarch32 despite the hardware implementing it.
        scarface74 9y ago
        4 years Apple's cadence of releasing Mac OS upgrades was a lot slower back then. x86 Macs were introduced with 10.4. Two releases later (10.7) they dropped support for PPC apps and 32 bit Macs.
ksk 9y ago
> Keep complaining; neither they nor their customers care. Apple has reversed several business decisions. Error 53, in app purchase gouging through developer fees, allowing apps instead of web apps (after realizing the iphone was pretty useless without apps), allowing bitcoin apps, etc etc. >I find it hilarious that every time Apple does anything like this, people complain and Apple still sets record sales. I hope you are not so naive to think that buying a product implies people like every single feature/change. Also, I don't quite see the hilariousness in a company ignoring valid complaints.
- jonny_eh 9y ago
  Not mention allowing non-Xcode apps (e.g. Flash + JavaScript) in the app store. This reversal happened even after Jobs' open letter "Thoughts on Flash" [0]. IMO, it's their biggest reversal in the iPhone era [1]. [0] https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ (April 2010) [1] https://www.wired.com/2010/09/apple-lifts-app-store-flash-ban-publishes-app-review-rules/ https://www.wired.com/2010/09/apple-lifts-app-store-flash-ba... (September 2010)
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  > allowing apps instead of web apps For what it's worth, people who worked on the original iPhone have said that internally Apple knew that 'web apps' were always a stopgap until they could get a native SDK out the door. Time constraints preventing them from shipping one in the first year. I'm sure Don Melton and/or Nitin Ganatra discussed this on Debug podcast a few years back https://www.imore.com/60-melton-ganatra-episode-iii-shipping-software https://www.imore.com/60-melton-ganatra-episode-iii-shipping...

by 013a 9y ago

sgift 9y ago

Your comment reminds me of a time when the same was said about Microsoft. It will be interesting to see when/if Apple falls the same way MS did.

oneeyedpigeon 9y ago
I think Apple has a far greater advantage than MS did (if not quite the marketshare, although the markets are different). MS was never seen as 'cool' or an aspirational status symbol like Apple products are.
- sgift 9y ago
  Fair point. I always thought that was mainly due to Steve Jobs, but so far it looks like they're able to stay one without him.
- pjmlp 9y ago
  > MS was never seen as 'cool' or an aspirational status symbol like Apple products are. Sure it was. In Portugal during the 90's, there were lots of CS students applying to work there. Apple not so much, specially since they were about to close, and except for the Interlog shops in Lisbon, it was almost impossible to get an affordable device in a country where the average salary was about 400 euros on today's money.
fasquoika 9y ago
>if Apple falls the same way MS did Are we thinking of the same MS?
- irrational 9y ago
  What MS are you thinking of? Back in the day (I'm thinking 20 years ago), anything MS said was law. They had the power to destroy all other browsers so we were left with just IE6 for so many years. MS no longer has that kind of power. They can no longer dictate the technological landscape like they used to be able to do. Now the landscape is dictated by standards and consensus set forth by Google, Facebook, Apple, MS, etc.
- bernadus_edwin 9y ago
  Ms only fall on mobile platform. Desktop app has good backward compartibility. Because of politic inside microsoft, every version of mobile platform has different language. Wp6.5 wp7 wp 7.1 wp8 win10 . 5 times must change the source code make developer escape to android. Microsoft at that era was untrusted
jernfrost 9y ago
That is rubbish, Microsoft never acted like this. They allways favoured backwards compatibility. Apple OTOH has behaved this through their entire existence. Yet Apple still grew to a large company. Quite the contrary it is this behaviour which has saved Apple. It made sure they could move forward with new technology quickly. MS moves slowely because they accumulate so much cruft pulling them down. That is the flip side of always being backwards compatible and "nice" to the customers.
- masklinn 9y ago
  > Apple OTOH has behaved this through their entire existence. Rosetta, Carbon and the Mac 68k Emulator are examples of the exact opposite. Apple does not hesitate moving forwards, but historically they provided large amounts of backwards compatibility, just not as cruft inside the existing system.
  - X-Istence 9y ago
    Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases. 32 bit support for applications in iOS was also supported for a couple of releases and is now gone. How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date...
    - masklinn 9y ago
      > Rosetta was also removed after two or three releases. 4 years. > How is that not similar? I can't still run Rosetta to this date... iOS 11 removed 32b support to hardware which supports it, Rosetta added PPC support to hardware which did not. Something similar to Rosetta would be emulating Aarch32 after having removed hardware support for it, not removing software support for Aarch32 despite the hardware implementing it.
      - scarface74 9y ago
        4 years Apple's cadence of releasing Mac OS upgrades was a lot slower back then. x86 Macs were introduced with 10.4. Two releases later (10.7) they dropped support for PPC apps and 32 bit Macs.

ksk 9y ago

> Keep complaining; neither they nor their customers care. Apple has reversed several business decisions. Error 53, in app purchase gouging through developer fees, allowing apps instead of web apps (after realizing the iphone was pretty useless without apps), allowing bitcoin apps, etc etc. >I find it hilarious that every time Apple does anything like this, people complain and Apple still sets record sales. I hope you are not so naive to think that buying a product implies people like every single feature/change. Also, I don't quite see the hilariousness in a company ignoring valid complaints.

jonny_eh 9y ago
Not mention allowing non-Xcode apps (e.g. Flash + JavaScript) in the app store. This reversal happened even after Jobs' open letter "Thoughts on Flash" [0]. IMO, it's their biggest reversal in the iPhone era [1]. [0] https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ https://www.apple.com/hotnews/thoughts-on-flash/ (April 2010) [1] https://www.wired.com/2010/09/apple-lifts-app-store-flash-ban-publishes-app-review-rules/ https://www.wired.com/2010/09/apple-lifts-app-store-flash-ba... (September 2010)
madeofpalk 9y ago
> allowing apps instead of web apps For what it's worth, people who worked on the original iPhone have said that internally Apple knew that 'web apps' were always a stopgap until they could get a native SDK out the door. Time constraints preventing them from shipping one in the first year. I'm sure Don Melton and/or Nitin Ganatra discussed this on Debug podcast a few years back https://www.imore.com/60-melton-ganatra-episode-iii-shipping-software https://www.imore.com/60-melton-ganatra-episode-iii-shipping...