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There is a similar technique using markov chain. The author don't seem to be aware.
by user5994461 9y ago
There is a similar technique using markov chain. The author don't seem to be aware.
- dithering 9y agoHas anyone proven that the recent spate of "apply neural networks to a text corpus" projects produce output any "better" than a markov chain with the same inputs would?
- bitL 9y agoIn speech recognition they fare additional 10-15% better than Markov models and are state-of-art.
- lucb1e 9y agoIsn't that fundamentally different, though? With password guessing, one wants to generate as many possible options as possible in order of most likely to least likely. If the generation method takes more than a microsecond it might already be faster to just go the brute force way. With speech recognition one is also time-constrained, but much less so. If it takes 0.2 seconds to come up with the best match, the user is barely done pronouncing the next word. Neural stuff is slower than Markov chains if I'm not mistaken, but while for speech recognition that might work great, it could be fatal for password guessing.
- TheArcane 9y agoCould you link that?
- jkabrg 9y agoThere are 6 mentions of the word Markov in the paper, not counting citations.
- reviseddamage 9y agowhat's the difference between "There is a similar technique using markov chain. The author don't seem to be aware." AND "There is a similar technique using markov chain! :) "
- user5994461 9y agoWhen you announce an improvement of 18-24% over the state of the art, what you think is the state of the art makes a lot of difference.
- thisisdave 9y agoThe authors state that HashCat uses Markov models and that they outperform it.
- reviseddamage 9y agoHe doesn't get it. Someone else replied to his comment stating the same thing you did, i think he is selectively blind to the word "Markov", he missed them in the article and in the replies.
- Cacti 9y agoYou could say that about practically anything.