> Last time I looked Telegram wasn't recommended by Moxie and a few other people. That was 2-3 years ago. What's the status now? I honestly don't think it matt

> Last time I looked Telegram wasn't recommended by Moxie and a few other people. That was 2-3 years ago. What's the status now? I honestly don't think it matters. The fact they lie about a large number of items, such as the nature of their relationship/business and have repeatedly is proof enough they can't be trusted. https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/11/23/the-secret-american-origins-of-telegram-the-encrypted-messaging-app-favored-by-the-islamic-state/ https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-intersect/wp/2015/11... > For starters, Durov and other Telegram employees had repeatedly claimed their app was nonprofit, which wasn’t technically true. (“The Telegram team declared numerous times in its FAQs and public statements that Telegram was a non-profit,” Durov wrote to Neff in an email made public in court documents. “… The for-profit entity that we currently have, especially a U.S.-based one, raises questions among our audience.”) > That's another red flag, needing to spread fud and lies about Signal. Another reason not to trust Telegram. Indicates that maybe their ethics and integrity are a bit too flexible. Lying has been their modus operandi since the start. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6948742 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=6948742 > You must not have followed Telegram much. From the beginning they've done nothing but pretend their protocol is absolutely secure ("military-grade encryption", "world's most secure protocol", etc) and rejected any attempt from the crypto community to help them fix problems before they endanger people. The sheer pervasiveness of their lies and the fact it ranges from the quality of their cryptographic skills to the nature of their business should have prevented its adoption. Unfortunately, lying at scale appears to work because most people simply dismiss it as "competitors" attacking their competition. :\