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It's amazing the way people are unwilling to engage with honesty these days. The story about Trey was very sad to me because it showed that even a quintessenti

It's amazing the way people are unwilling to engage with honesty these days. The story about Trey was very sad to me because it showed that even a quintessential Asheville type couldn't get the people to put away the pitchforks. It really doesn't bode well for the country that communities that are "accepting", like Asheville, are unwilling to forgive. Compare to the people calling for forgiveness (after due process and punishment) of Dylann Roof, a hateful mass murderer.

sverige 9y ago
It's all about tolerance and acceptance until it isn't. I understand why people are mad at the guy, but the black-and-white worldviews are on both sides of the polarized divide. Conflating his actions with rape is disingenuous at best, at least from the information presented here, where all the sex was consensual. The way this has progressed is symptomatic of a bigger problem in our society right now. I have no answers, though, since it is nearly impossible to have a discussion with either extreme, at least in my view.
- projektfu 9y ago
  In reality, I don't think there's a polarized divide. The guy's worldview was kind of messed up, a simulacrum of the misogynistic community, which he developed because of his own ok insecurities and the encouragement the misogynists give when you parrot their creed. Most people don't agree with that stuff. But most people don't call for the shunning of the guy. It's more the outrage that surprised me, because Asheville is usually peaceful. But the double standards are strong. You don't see them picketing Bikram yoga centers in spite of the apparent rapey-ness of the founder, who gets franchise money from each center.
mannykannot 9y ago
Someone who has been systematically deceitful is going to have a harder job persuading people he is repentant and has reformed than, say, someone who has been selfish or greedy (note that I am not alluding to Roof.) Currently, there is an article about Lance Armstrong, who has the same problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15274840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15274840
- projektfu 9y ago
  Oh, I totally agree, you want sincerity. But ruling out the possibility of reconciliation beforehand is what smells foul to me.

sverige 9y ago

It's all about tolerance and acceptance until it isn't. I understand why people are mad at the guy, but the black-and-white worldviews are on both sides of the polarized divide. Conflating his actions with rape is disingenuous at best, at least from the information presented here, where all the sex was consensual. The way this has progressed is symptomatic of a bigger problem in our society right now. I have no answers, though, since it is nearly impossible to have a discussion with either extreme, at least in my view.

projektfu 9y ago
In reality, I don't think there's a polarized divide. The guy's worldview was kind of messed up, a simulacrum of the misogynistic community, which he developed because of his own ok insecurities and the encouragement the misogynists give when you parrot their creed. Most people don't agree with that stuff. But most people don't call for the shunning of the guy. It's more the outrage that surprised me, because Asheville is usually peaceful. But the double standards are strong. You don't see them picketing Bikram yoga centers in spite of the apparent rapey-ness of the founder, who gets franchise money from each center.

mannykannot 9y ago

Someone who has been systematically deceitful is going to have a harder job persuading people he is repentant and has reformed than, say, someone who has been selfish or greedy (note that I am not alluding to Roof.) Currently, there is an article about Lance Armstrong, who has the same problem. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15274840 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=15274840

projektfu 9y ago
Oh, I totally agree, you want sincerity. But ruling out the possibility of reconciliation beforehand is what smells foul to me.