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As a follow up, isn't all this DRM for naught? If you send the video and the audio to my computer, I can record it after it's decrypted. What problem does this

by eof 9y ago

As a follow up, isn't all this DRM for naught? If you send the video and the audio to my computer, I can record it after it's decrypted. What problem does this really solve? I already use netflix/amazon because it's more convenient than torrenting, unless it isn't. Seems the possibility is nil DRM-free versions of DRM content won't be available anyway.

gtirloni 9y ago
You're right, content will always be pirated. However, security and rights management is never about definitive solutions. DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people and that's enough for copyright holders. They can focus their resources on the other 1% (unfortunately including poeple with legitimate reasons). I'm not agreeing with this but it's how it is and I don't see that changing. I agree with another commenter that it's been like this for virtually forever and this decision doesn't change much.
- eof 9y ago
  > DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people Does it though? I mean, there are already non-drm versions available, and have been "forever". Yet 99% of people still choose netflix because it's easier. Even the 1% choose netflix because it is easier. How does restricting the delivery of legitimate/legal content impact the way that people consume illegitimate/illegal content? I also don't see it changing, but it seems like it will have /obviously/ literally zero impact on the availability of pirated content, and how/if people use pirated content.
- drngdds 9y ago
  >DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people I don't think this is true. You can find illegal streams for many (most? (all?)) TV shows with a quick Google search. It's also pretty common knowledge that TPB and similar torrent sites exist, and you don't have to be in the top 1% of computer users to install a BitTorrent client.
  - always_good 9y ago
    >You can find illegal streams for many (most? (all?)) TV shows with a quick Google search Not in my experience. I couldn't even find a 2016 movie on the top torrent sites last week. If all you watch is Game of Thrones and other globally popular shows, then yeah, I'm sure it's trivial.
- a_imho 9y ago
  DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people IMO we have oversupply of interchangeably disposable content fighting for a limited number of clicks, if someone makes it hard for their customers to engage, they are shooting themselves in the foot. E.g. whenever I'm greeted with a paywall, that tab is instaclosed.

by eof 9y ago

gtirloni 9y ago

You're right, content will always be pirated. However, security and rights management is never about definitive solutions. DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people and that's enough for copyright holders. They can focus their resources on the other 1% (unfortunately including poeple with legitimate reasons). I'm not agreeing with this but it's how it is and I don't see that changing. I agree with another commenter that it's been like this for virtually forever and this decision doesn't change much.

eof 9y ago
> DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people Does it though? I mean, there are already non-drm versions available, and have been "forever". Yet 99% of people still choose netflix because it's easier. Even the 1% choose netflix because it is easier. How does restricting the delivery of legitimate/legal content impact the way that people consume illegitimate/illegal content? I also don't see it changing, but it seems like it will have /obviously/ literally zero impact on the availability of pirated content, and how/if people use pirated content.
drngdds 9y ago
>DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people I don't think this is true. You can find illegal streams for many (most? (all?)) TV shows with a quick Google search. It's also pretty common knowledge that TPB and similar torrent sites exist, and you don't have to be in the top 1% of computer users to install a BitTorrent client.
- always_good 9y ago
  >You can find illegal streams for many (most? (all?)) TV shows with a quick Google search Not in my experience. I couldn't even find a 2016 movie on the top torrent sites last week. If all you watch is Game of Thrones and other globally popular shows, then yeah, I'm sure it's trivial.
a_imho 9y ago
DRM makes it hard for 99% of the people IMO we have oversupply of interchangeably disposable content fighting for a limited number of clicks, if someone makes it hard for their customers to engage, they are shooting themselves in the foot. E.g. whenever I'm greeted with a paywall, that tab is instaclosed.