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Frankly I'm far more interested in which developing or first-world locales, if any, exist where net freedoms like these are protected by the majority, rather th

Frankly I'm far more interested in which developing or first-world locales, if any, exist where net freedoms like these are protected by the majority, rather than having to be fought for by the minority against a wave of complacency and apathy. I'm pretty much done with trying to fight the american capitalist ideology which empowers these companies to steamroll over the average consumer happy to give up their own rights and freedoms then left to complain with the extortionist environments that leads to. I don't think the world can continue on the way it's going without some serious ideological fragmentations in the near future, and the moment some country embraces its "Pirate Party" or creates an "Internet Bill of Rights" establishing the core tenets the EFF and others fight for as the basis of their internet-related litigation - is the moment I know where the sane people all probably went (or would go as time goes on).

is71515124 9y ago
> the extortionist environments that leads to. Media delivery in 2017 is hardly an extortionary environment. Practically speaking, Americans spend very little of their income on the Audible/Netflix/HBO Gos of the world. Netflix costs $120 a year? Against a median household income of $55,000, that is next to nothing. If anything, it's the opposite: there's a glut of content available to consume, in nearly every possible genre, at very low price points. There is far, far more good television than any person could reasonably watch, all for a couple thousandths of the typical person's annual wages.
- digital_trench 9y ago
  It's not about the content available. It's about the control.
  - is71515124 9y ago
    "Extortion" typically refers to using force to unjustly extract money from someone. Without unjust extraction of money, there can be no extortion. I understand that others have concerns about control, and that's totally legitimate, but it's also not what I was responding to.
    - AnthonyMouse 9y ago
      The thing being extorted doesn't have to be money. It can be, for example, control of a distribution channel to lock out prospective competitors.
      - is71515124 9y ago
        > average consumer ... complain with the extortionist environments that leads to. I suppose so, but I wasn't really talking about entities that might be able to control a distribution channel. I was talking about average consumers. Realistically, the limiting factor in (legally) distributing movies is not the technology, but getting the rights-holders to sell you those rights. This DRM tech does not really change the landscape on that, because a small new entrant already had no shot at making a deal.
drak0n1c 9y ago
Perhaps there is potential in Seasteading.

is71515124 9y ago

> the extortionist environments that leads to. Media delivery in 2017 is hardly an extortionary environment. Practically speaking, Americans spend very little of their income on the Audible/Netflix/HBO Gos of the world. Netflix costs $120 a year? Against a median household income of $55,000, that is next to nothing. If anything, it's the opposite: there's a glut of content available to consume, in nearly every possible genre, at very low price points. There is far, far more good television than any person could reasonably watch, all for a couple thousandths of the typical person's annual wages.

digital_trench 9y ago
It's not about the content available. It's about the control.
- is71515124 9y ago
  "Extortion" typically refers to using force to unjustly extract money from someone. Without unjust extraction of money, there can be no extortion. I understand that others have concerns about control, and that's totally legitimate, but it's also not what I was responding to.
  - AnthonyMouse 9y ago
    The thing being extorted doesn't have to be money. It can be, for example, control of a distribution channel to lock out prospective competitors.
    - is71515124 9y ago
      > average consumer ... complain with the extortionist environments that leads to. I suppose so, but I wasn't really talking about entities that might be able to control a distribution channel. I was talking about average consumers. Realistically, the limiting factor in (legally) distributing movies is not the technology, but getting the rights-holders to sell you those rights. This DRM tech does not really change the landscape on that, because a small new entrant already had no shot at making a deal.

drak0n1c 9y ago

Perhaps there is potential in Seasteading.