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What good is integrity if nobody uses Firefox ? That was the main reason they added EME support in the first place. Firefox staying relevant in the browser mark

What good is integrity if nobody uses Firefox ? That was the main reason they added EME support in the first place. Firefox staying relevant in the browser market is a better strategy in the long run than a hard line stance against DRM.

dTal 9y ago
What good is Firefox if it doesn't have integrity?
- kibwen 9y ago
  I can't tell if this is satire. Does anyone seriously believe that surrendering the war when you've lost one battle is an intelligent strategy? Mozilla contributes a whole lot to OSS, including providing a browser that can be trivially used without any black-box DRM-enforcement code hitting your system.
  - dTal 9y ago
    I didn't mean to suggest I categorically disagreed with the decision, in this case. I simply note that you can't extend that logic indefinitely, or you lose the thing you're fighting for.
- thatzerodude 9y ago
  True that. Time to start using Firefox forks. Pale Moon, Iceweasel, GNU Icecat. Maybe go even further outside the box, use gngr: https://gngr.info/ https://gngr.info/
- yellowapple 9y ago
  Exactly. The whole point of Firefox is to be the browser that actually protects its users. If I wanted DRM shoved down my throat, I'd be using Chrome.
- lern_too_spel 9y ago
  You are free to run Firefox without the DRM module.
wolfgke 9y ago
> What good is integrity if nobody uses Firefox ? That was the main reason they added EME support in the first place. This was rather the point of Fall of Men ("Zeitpunkt des Sündenfalls") in Firefox' history to me. It was also the point in time where I stopped donating to them.
- sgift 9y ago
  And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced?
  - wolfgke 9y ago
    > And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced? Make the zero-tolerance for DRM a unique selling point of Firefox.
    - Sargos 9y ago
      I'm not sure "doesn't work with most major video sites" is an actual selling point.
      - wolfgke 9y ago
        > I'm not sure "doesn't work with most major video sites" is an actual selling point. You just have to reframe it to something like: "protects you against websites that try to plant DRM-malware on your computer".
        emodendroket 9y ago
        "... And by the way you can't use the streaming services you pay for."
    - kibwen 9y ago
      Firefox is, AFAIK, the only browser vendor that decouples the EME module from the browser, allowing the browser to be downloaded without any DRM support at all. See the various "EME-free" directories here: http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/ http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/

dTal 9y ago

What good is Firefox if it doesn't have integrity?

kibwen 9y ago
I can't tell if this is satire. Does anyone seriously believe that surrendering the war when you've lost one battle is an intelligent strategy? Mozilla contributes a whole lot to OSS, including providing a browser that can be trivially used without any black-box DRM-enforcement code hitting your system.
- dTal 9y ago
  I didn't mean to suggest I categorically disagreed with the decision, in this case. I simply note that you can't extend that logic indefinitely, or you lose the thing you're fighting for.
thatzerodude 9y ago
True that. Time to start using Firefox forks. Pale Moon, Iceweasel, GNU Icecat. Maybe go even further outside the box, use gngr: https://gngr.info/ https://gngr.info/
yellowapple 9y ago
Exactly. The whole point of Firefox is to be the browser that actually protects its users. If I wanted DRM shoved down my throat, I'd be using Chrome.
lern_too_spel 9y ago
You are free to run Firefox without the DRM module.

wolfgke 9y ago

> What good is integrity if nobody uses Firefox ? That was the main reason they added EME support in the first place. This was rather the point of Fall of Men ("Zeitpunkt des Sündenfalls") in Firefox' history to me. It was also the point in time where I stopped donating to them.

sgift 9y ago
And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced?
- wolfgke 9y ago
  > And what's your solution (proposal) for the problem they faced? Make the zero-tolerance for DRM a unique selling point of Firefox.
  - Sargos 9y ago
    I'm not sure "doesn't work with most major video sites" is an actual selling point.
    - wolfgke 9y ago
      > I'm not sure "doesn't work with most major video sites" is an actual selling point. You just have to reframe it to something like: "protects you against websites that try to plant DRM-malware on your computer".
      - emodendroket 9y ago
        "... And by the way you can't use the streaming services you pay for."
  - kibwen 9y ago
    Firefox is, AFAIK, the only browser vendor that decouples the EME module from the browser, allowing the browser to be downloaded without any DRM support at all. See the various "EME-free" directories here: http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/ http://download.cdn.mozilla.net/pub/firefox/releases/55.0/