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I don't know... Unless MSFT starts paying phone manufacturers or developing their own hardware, I don't see this catching up as much as Android or IOS. There

by pavs 16y ago

I don't know... Unless MSFT starts paying phone manufacturers or developing their own hardware, I don't see this catching up as much as Android or IOS. There is nothing intuitive about the OS and honestly very underwhelming, I doubt a consumer who is aware of IOS and Android and have the option of choosing either one of the three will end up with Windows7.

endtime 16y ago
>There is nothing intuitive about the OS Could you elaborate on this?
- fungi 16y ago
  when you are a few layers deep i'm thinking you would be pretty lost. nice if you could zoom out. but its not that bad reminds me of sony's PS nav.
  - byoung2 16y ago
    nice if you could zoom out. That's exactly what I was thinking...something like Android 2.1's pinch to zoom out on the home screen which brings up miniature versions of the 7 screens you could get to by scrolling left/right.
- pavs 16y ago
  Sure. The UI doesn't follow a conventional way how people use UI in any form of mobile devices. There are differences in IOS, Android, Blackberry and PalmOS but those differences aren't huge. If you use either of those devices/OS who should be able to pickup any of the other devices relatively easily. At least this has been my personal experience with Android, IOS and WebOS. What Windows Mobile 7 is doing is a fundamentally different way of how you use a mobile device. You could argue that when IOS was first introduced it was also a different way of how people uses mobile phones. But it was different in the sense that it was not confusing, it was very intuitive. In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. Who thought big blocks of animated tiles taking up huge screen real-state to be a good idea? I think this is also a good example of different design philosophy with MSFT and Apple. IOS with its new update introduced folder with the goal of giving you more screen real-state so that if you have a lot of apps you don't have to keep sliding and MSFT adds huge block of tiles (and animated!) that will require you to slide around to find what you need. It would have made an interesting showcase for concept design that car manufacturers always make, but I don't see this being much practical at all.
  - endtime 16y ago
    >In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. Is this just your personal preference speaking? I actually was impressed when I first saw the UI, and the article describes it as useful and functional.
    - pavs 16y ago
      Of course its my personal opinion. I don't claim to speak for everyone nor did I run any public poll. Everything I said in my comment is my own opinion from my own experience (with other mobile OS), unless otherwise stated.
      - endtime 16y ago
        Well, your tone and language were authoritative. Typically, if you aren't stating a fact you should qualify it with something like "I think".
        pavs 16y ago
        Regardless of my tone. How can this be anything other than my opinion? Isn't it obvious that it is my opinion?
        endtime 16y ago
        No, that's why I asked. You were stating something in direct contradiction with the article, and (going purely on prior) you probably haven't actually used a WP7 phone, so the implication was that you had more than opinion behind your comment.
  - luminary 16y ago
    > In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. And that's the point, Albert Shum, a Nike-alum and now one of the folks behind this UI, is making. It's less about chrome/gloss but more about typography. Personally, I like it a lot. The "WP7 version of" Metro-UI seems to be inspired by direction signs (for travelers) you see at airports, train stations etc. that help people find their way. More here: http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL14 http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL14 I'm waiting for "HN pedagogues" to jump in and say MS is again copying Apple. Oh nevermind. Someone already did. Sigh.
trezor 16y ago
I was at one of the early developer sessions for Windows Phone 7, and even as a professional .NET developer I wasn't convinced I wanted to develop for this phone. I'm replacing my iPhone (3G) now and it's not for a Win7 phone, it's for an HTC Desire. Even to me, a .NET developer, Android seems like a better platform to develop for. IMO Microsoft copied pretty much everything Apple did with iPhone,with a subtle taste of too little too late. Ofcourse I would love to be proven wrong, but for the time being I'm going for Android and Java, despite all its shortcomings compared to C#.

by pavs 16y ago

endtime 16y ago

>There is nothing intuitive about the OS Could you elaborate on this?

fungi 16y ago
when you are a few layers deep i'm thinking you would be pretty lost. nice if you could zoom out. but its not that bad reminds me of sony's PS nav.
- byoung2 16y ago
  nice if you could zoom out. That's exactly what I was thinking...something like Android 2.1's pinch to zoom out on the home screen which brings up miniature versions of the 7 screens you could get to by scrolling left/right.
pavs 16y ago
Sure. The UI doesn't follow a conventional way how people use UI in any form of mobile devices. There are differences in IOS, Android, Blackberry and PalmOS but those differences aren't huge. If you use either of those devices/OS who should be able to pickup any of the other devices relatively easily. At least this has been my personal experience with Android, IOS and WebOS. What Windows Mobile 7 is doing is a fundamentally different way of how you use a mobile device. You could argue that when IOS was first introduced it was also a different way of how people uses mobile phones. But it was different in the sense that it was not confusing, it was very intuitive. In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. Who thought big blocks of animated tiles taking up huge screen real-state to be a good idea? I think this is also a good example of different design philosophy with MSFT and Apple. IOS with its new update introduced folder with the goal of giving you more screen real-state so that if you have a lot of apps you don't have to keep sliding and MSFT adds huge block of tiles (and animated!) that will require you to slide around to find what you need. It would have made an interesting showcase for concept design that car manufacturers always make, but I don't see this being much practical at all.
- endtime 16y ago
  >In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. Is this just your personal preference speaking? I actually was impressed when I first saw the UI, and the article describes it as useful and functional.
  - pavs 16y ago
    Of course its my personal opinion. I don't claim to speak for everyone nor did I run any public poll. Everything I said in my comment is my own opinion from my own experience (with other mobile OS), unless otherwise stated.
    - endtime 16y ago
      Well, your tone and language were authoritative. Typically, if you aren't stating a fact you should qualify it with something like "I think".
      - pavs 16y ago
        Regardless of my tone. How can this be anything other than my opinion? Isn't it obvious that it is my opinion?
        endtime 16y ago
        No, that's why I asked. You were stating something in direct contradiction with the article, and (going purely on prior) you probably haven't actually used a WP7 phone, so the implication was that you had more than opinion behind your comment.
- luminary 16y ago
  > In contrast Widows7 mobile UI is a confusing mess and very bland to be honest. There no "Wow" factor. And that's the point, Albert Shum, a Nike-alum and now one of the folks behind this UI, is making. It's less about chrome/gloss but more about typography. Personally, I like it a lot. The "WP7 version of" Metro-UI seems to be inspired by direction signs (for travelers) you see at airports, train stations etc. that help people find their way. More here: http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL14 http://live.visitmix.com/MIX10/Sessions/CL14 I'm waiting for "HN pedagogues" to jump in and say MS is again copying Apple. Oh nevermind. Someone already did. Sigh.

trezor 16y ago

I was at one of the early developer sessions for Windows Phone 7, and even as a professional .NET developer I wasn't convinced I wanted to develop for this phone. I'm replacing my iPhone (3G) now and it's not for a Win7 phone, it's for an HTC Desire. Even to me, a .NET developer, Android seems like a better platform to develop for. IMO Microsoft copied pretty much everything Apple did with iPhone,with a subtle taste of too little too late. Ofcourse I would love to be proven wrong, but for the time being I'm going for Android and Java, despite all its shortcomings compared to C#.