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I have exactly the T470s with Win10 as a work notebook and can't really recommend it. The good parts seem to be the keyboards which feels quite good and the dis

I have exactly the T470s with Win10 as a work notebook and can't really recommend it. The good parts seem to be the keyboards which feels quite good and the display (I have the hidpi model). However most other things feel worse compared to my 2015 13" MBP. The touchpad at least supports Win10 multitouch gestures, but otherwise is not very good - I use the MBP always without a mouse, and the T470s mostly with one. The T470s feels slower (haven't exactly compared compilation times, but I'm pretty sure it is quite a bit slower). And maybe the worst thing: It's just not stable. I guess I had a frozen machine or bluescreen at least every two weeks. Errors partly look like memory errors, but memtest says everything is fine. The docking station also makes problems, docking/undocking sometimes fails and my external hidpiscreen (dell 4k 27") often flickers like crazy on the docking stations displayport connector.

dm319 9y ago
sounds like you're conflating the hardware with the software. I personally think that Windows lets down ThinkPads
- Matthias247 9y ago
  Yes, I'm conflating it because it's the whole package that I'm using. I also think it's highly likely that those are driver and firmware issues. But I'm supposed to work with the whole machine which Lenovo provided me. It won't help me if I have some decent hardware without software. I don't think the stability issues are general windows 10 issues, I have windows machines which are rock solid (no issues since over years). The docking station thing however seems to be more of a real hardware issue to me. The display dropouts are so short that it looks like some synchronization loss due to signal integrity problem.
eveningcoffee 9y ago
Doest it make loud clicks when you click on touchpad?
- Matthias247 9y ago
  I think it clicks probably as loud as the older Macbooks with mechanical touchpad. Louder than my newer Macbook with Force Touch, but not annoyingly loud.

dm319 9y ago

sounds like you're conflating the hardware with the software. I personally think that Windows lets down ThinkPads

Matthias247 9y ago
Yes, I'm conflating it because it's the whole package that I'm using. I also think it's highly likely that those are driver and firmware issues. But I'm supposed to work with the whole machine which Lenovo provided me. It won't help me if I have some decent hardware without software. I don't think the stability issues are general windows 10 issues, I have windows machines which are rock solid (no issues since over years). The docking station thing however seems to be more of a real hardware issue to me. The display dropouts are so short that it looks like some synchronization loss due to signal integrity problem.

eveningcoffee 9y ago

Doest it make loud clicks when you click on touchpad?

Matthias247 9y ago
I think it clicks probably as loud as the older Macbooks with mechanical touchpad. Louder than my newer Macbook with Force Touch, but not annoyingly loud.