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The alt-right didn't get him elected. Good ol' American racism did. They certainly helped. But what helped more was he had a solid pulse on scared white men.

• yung_endian 9y ago
  Not just white men - trump won with all categories of people identifying as white
  • yardie 9y ago
    Yes. And the narrative is his inauguration was an anomaly. That somehow the alt-right managed to get him elected. But there is nothing alt about securing over 70% of white male voters.
• seabta 9y ago
  Scared? Or don't think the change in demographics is in the interest of their descendants?
  • yardie 9y ago
    To your second statement I think the term you're looking for is scared. The more fringe will throw in race war as if the rest of humanity has a vendetta against your average white male.
    • seabta 9y ago
      Are you scared of everything you don't think is in your interest?
      • dragontamer 9y ago
        I'm not gay, and therefore gay marriage and other LGBT issues have absolutely no positive effect on me personally. There's nothing scary about gay marriage, even if it advances the interests of people who are barely connected to me (I only have a few publicly gay friends, and most of them managed to get married by traveling elsewhere... like Canada). The whole "white nationalism" thingy with them freaking out about "advancements of other races" is kinda creepy to me. Just because one group of people benefit makes no difference to the strength of my position. Its like they don't understand the concept of "non-zero sum games".
        • seabta 9y ago
          >There's nothing scary about gay marriage, even... First of all, how many people do you think are "scared" of gay marriage? Second, whether that's true or it isn't has no bearing on this discussion. That is a different situation with its own particular set of circumstances. There is no need to complicate this discussion by talking about that. Do you have any evidence that white nationalists deny the existence of non-zero sum games? >Just because one group... Surely you understand that zero sum games do exist. Surely you understand that it's perfectly possible for one race to benefit at the expense of another. Surely you would agree with the statement that whites have in the past benefited at the expense of other races. Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for other races to ever benefit at the expense of whites? If so, what is your reasoning?
          • dragontamer 9y ago
            > Do you think it's fundamentally impossible for other races to ever benefit at the expense of whites? I'm generally against rules and regulations where one race benefits over another. > Do you have any evidence that white nationalists deny the existence of non-zero sum games? Evidence? Nah, just an anecdote about my experience. White Nationalists refuse to understand that all races can benefit from proper policy decisions, and turn everything into an "us vs them". For example, a common white nationalist refrain is "They took our jobs". While the counterargument is simply "They took the jobs that no one wants to take", or perhaps "More jobs for everybody creates more jobs for everybody". After all, the economy expands when more people have money, because more people start spending it on more services. Yes: if illegal immigrants spend more money, then the local economy benefits and more jobs can be created. For whatever reason, white nationalists refuse to believe in the possibility that maybe, just maybe, there exists a path for everybody to benefit in society. > Surely you understand that it's perfectly possible for one race to benefit at the expense of another. Yes. Racial quotas are an example of that. But good policy decisions don't necessarily have to resort to quotas to fix the issues of dwindling inner-city opportunities for people in poverty. A proper policy framework and law structure can ensure that everybody benefits. A rising tide lifts all boats. A wall, deportation-based policy, and other such policy decisions FORCE the discussion to become a zero-sum game. A bit of creativity and foresight however can demonstrate far better fixes that are better for society overall.