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Not sure if this is still the case, but Marcos from Mozilla did a talk on this at CampJS earlier this year. Apparently Chrome will send data about the items pur

Not sure if this is still the case, but Marcos from Mozilla did a talk on this at CampJS earlier this year. Apparently Chrome will send data about the items purchased to Google, even if you’re using a payment provider completely unrelated to Google. Unlike Chrome, Firefox will apparently not send data about what you purchase back to Mozilla. Edit: https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618 https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618

microcolonel 9y ago
Is there a source for this? That seems like a pretty outrageous thing for a browser to do.
- kyrra 9y ago
  Agreed. I'd also like to see the source for this, as I can't find it mentioned anywhere on the Chrome sites about PaymentRequest or any of the top sites talking about Chrome Payment Request.
- 482794793792894 9y ago
  Don't think there's recordings of CampJS for this year, but on the schedule [1] there's a talk about it listed by Marcos Caceres. You could probably ask the guy on Twitter (@marcosc). [1] http://viii.campjs.com/sessions/#payments http://viii.campjs.com/sessions/#payments
- ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
  Not sure if the talk has been uploaded, but: https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618 https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618
  - microcolonel 9y ago
    Ahh, that completely changes the meaning. It's basically just like credit card processing in that case, but just for Android Pay (and probably Apple pay if/when they adopt the API). The transaction description/line item thing makes a lot of sense from a user perspective (granted, I am not, and do not intend on becoming, an Android Pay or Apple Pay user).
    - ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
      Yeah, seems to be limited to Google’s own payment services. Just so you know, Apple doesn’t see nor store the item/s you purchase via Apple Pay, so if Apple Pay is accepted through this payment API, I think it’s unlikely to send purchase information directly to Apple.
andai 9y ago
Isn't that information already sent if you sync your history?
objclxt 9y ago
> Unlike Chrome, Firefox will apparently not send data about what you purchase back to Mozilla. It sounds like something has been lost in translation. If not, Marcos is conflating two very different things. If you use Payment Request in Chrome with Google Wallet or Android Pay then yes, Google is going to have a description of what you bought and where you bought it. But you used their payment service. This is no different to what PayPal or a dozen other payment services are doing. If you use Payment Request in Chrome as a replacement for auto-fill - that is, you're just using it with regular card numbers, or with another non-Google payment instrument then nothing is being sent back to Google. Go check the source code, it's all implemented in Chromium (indeed, other Chrome based browsers that integrated Payment Request like Samsung's own mobile browser or AliPay are using Google's implementation). The reason that the standard asks for a description of what you bought is that it's useful to display to the user in a standardized way as part of the payment process so you can reconfirm exactly what it is you're paying for. I sat on the Payment Request Working Group until about three months ago and I didn't hear any of these concerns from Mozilla then. I don't really know what Marcos has been saying, and since the talk itself isn't online I'm going to assume he's been mis-quoted.
- ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
  Hmm. You could be right. I’ll have to verify with him. Perhaps I misunderstood him. I’ll get back to you!
- ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
  I must have misunderstood. Sorry! https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760 https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760
- madeofpalk 9y ago
  > If you use Payment Request in Chrome with Google Wallet or Android Pay then yes, Google is going to have a description of what you bought and where you bought it. But you used their payment service. This is no different to what PayPal or a dozen other payment services are doing. Importantly, it _is_ different than what Apple Pay does.
ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
UPDATE: I may have misunderstood the talk. Apologies! My original statement that payment method doesn’t matter may be wrong. https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760 https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760

microcolonel 9y ago

Is there a source for this? That seems like a pretty outrageous thing for a browser to do.

kyrra 9y ago
Agreed. I'd also like to see the source for this, as I can't find it mentioned anywhere on the Chrome sites about PaymentRequest or any of the top sites talking about Chrome Payment Request.
482794793792894 9y ago
Don't think there's recordings of CampJS for this year, but on the schedule [1] there's a talk about it listed by Marcos Caceres. You could probably ask the guy on Twitter (@marcosc). [1] http://viii.campjs.com/sessions/#payments http://viii.campjs.com/sessions/#payments
ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
Not sure if the talk has been uploaded, but: https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618 https://twitter.com/chrismorrisorg/status/896352427426799618
- microcolonel 9y ago
  Ahh, that completely changes the meaning. It's basically just like credit card processing in that case, but just for Android Pay (and probably Apple pay if/when they adopt the API). The transaction description/line item thing makes a lot of sense from a user perspective (granted, I am not, and do not intend on becoming, an Android Pay or Apple Pay user).
  - ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
    Yeah, seems to be limited to Google’s own payment services. Just so you know, Apple doesn’t see nor store the item/s you purchase via Apple Pay, so if Apple Pay is accepted through this payment API, I think it’s unlikely to send purchase information directly to Apple.

andai 9y ago

Isn't that information already sent if you sync your history?

objclxt 9y ago

> Unlike Chrome, Firefox will apparently not send data about what you purchase back to Mozilla. It sounds like something has been lost in translation. If not, Marcos is conflating two very different things. If you use Payment Request in Chrome with Google Wallet or Android Pay then yes, Google is going to have a description of what you bought and where you bought it. But you used their payment service. This is no different to what PayPal or a dozen other payment services are doing. If you use Payment Request in Chrome as a replacement for auto-fill - that is, you're just using it with regular card numbers, or with another non-Google payment instrument then nothing is being sent back to Google. Go check the source code, it's all implemented in Chromium (indeed, other Chrome based browsers that integrated Payment Request like Samsung's own mobile browser or AliPay are using Google's implementation). The reason that the standard asks for a description of what you bought is that it's useful to display to the user in a standardized way as part of the payment process so you can reconfirm exactly what it is you're paying for. I sat on the Payment Request Working Group until about three months ago and I didn't hear any of these concerns from Mozilla then. I don't really know what Marcos has been saying, and since the talk itself isn't online I'm going to assume he's been mis-quoted.

ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
Hmm. You could be right. I’ll have to verify with him. Perhaps I misunderstood him. I’ll get back to you!
ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago
I must have misunderstood. Sorry! https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760 https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760
madeofpalk 9y ago
> If you use Payment Request in Chrome with Google Wallet or Android Pay then yes, Google is going to have a description of what you bought and where you bought it. But you used their payment service. This is no different to what PayPal or a dozen other payment services are doing. Importantly, it _is_ different than what Apple Pay does.

ChrisMorrisOrg 9y ago

UPDATE: I may have misunderstood the talk. Apologies! My original statement that payment method doesn’t matter may be wrong. https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760 https://twitter.com/marcosc/status/909645024282869760