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> The USA may be behind other countries in some things but not freedom of speech! And that's why it's important to fight those who would introduce Chinese-like

> The USA may be behind other countries in some things but not freedom of speech! And that's why it's important to fight those who would introduce Chinese-like censorship to the west in the name of combating "hate speech" or whatever else tickles the moral panic of the day. Efforts like Google's Conversation AI seriously worry me: they have the potential to shape thought the same way that the Chinese approach does. In a sense, it doesn't really matter whether it's the government or a big corporation that performs automated censorship. Either way, your life can be adversely and drastically altered because some god damn neuron tripped over its activation function and called you a monster.

christophilus 9y ago
"In a sense, it doesn't really matter whether it's the government or a big corporation that performs automated censorship." It does matter. If it's a company doing this, you still are free to run your own servers and say anything you want. If it's the government, you don't have that freedom. You can be jailed, fined, executed, exiled...
- quotemstr 9y ago
  > If it's a company doing this, you still are free to run your own servers and say anything you want The Daily Stormer recently had a different experience. Besides, when your entire life's infrastructure depends on an ecosystem of data services, being suddenly disconnected from that ecosystem is tantamount to banishment. That's definitely the kind of punishment that can discourage speech.
  - thegayngler 9y ago
    It really can. That's what it is supposed to do. However, some companies don't wish to associate with certain speech. That's as much their right to free speech as anyone else's right to free speech. You can create your own stuff and no one is stopping them. From a government perspective you have free speech. No business has to sponsor your speech if it offends them or hurts their business.
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odiroot 9y ago
> those who would introduce Chinese-like censorship to the west in the name of combating "hate speech" Call me a pessimist but I think we already lost this fight. There's no going back to more freedom of speech now. Especially for us here in Europe.

christophilus 9y ago

"In a sense, it doesn't really matter whether it's the government or a big corporation that performs automated censorship." It does matter. If it's a company doing this, you still are free to run your own servers and say anything you want. If it's the government, you don't have that freedom. You can be jailed, fined, executed, exiled...

quotemstr 9y ago
> If it's a company doing this, you still are free to run your own servers and say anything you want The Daily Stormer recently had a different experience. Besides, when your entire life's infrastructure depends on an ecosystem of data services, being suddenly disconnected from that ecosystem is tantamount to banishment. That's definitely the kind of punishment that can discourage speech.
- thegayngler 9y ago
  It really can. That's what it is supposed to do. However, some companies don't wish to associate with certain speech. That's as much their right to free speech as anyone else's right to free speech. You can create your own stuff and no one is stopping them. From a government perspective you have free speech. No business has to sponsor your speech if it offends them or hurts their business.

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odiroot 9y ago

> those who would introduce Chinese-like censorship to the west in the name of combating "hate speech" Call me a pessimist but I think we already lost this fight. There's no going back to more freedom of speech now. Especially for us here in Europe.