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WebAssembly with OpenGL could change this.

mattnewton 9y ago
I don't know what they would have to be mining to make cpu's or integrated GPU's make sense, certainly not bitcoin where even if you pay nothing for electricity to are unlikely to be able to do any useful work in the time someone visits your site.
- IamCarbonMan 9y ago
  PirateBay probably won't make any money. I'm considering adding this to an online game, which would probably generate a modest income. Video and social media sites could definitely benefit as well.
  - tokenizerrr 9y ago
    What game is that? I want to be sure to avoid it if you are planning such scummy tactics.
    - IamCarbonMan 9y ago
      It's a card game simulator I have yet to publish. I don't really have a lot of money for server uptime, so it's either ads or this. And it won't be on by default. I'm simply offering users a way to support the site if they like using it, without having to view ads or pay directly (it may or may not affect their electricity bill I guess, but to most people an online game using some extra CPU isn't going to have much impact on them at all).
      - tokenizerrr 9y ago
        You can't afford $9/month? Don't bother implementing this feature and you earned a few months of uptime.
        IamCarbonMan 9y ago
        None of that comment even close to makes sense. 1. My operating costs are more than $9/month. I don't know where you got that presumed feature but it's wrong. 2. There's nothing to implement. You include a library and a few lines of code to start it and you're done. 3. How would not doing something that could potentially make me money, even if only a little bit, save me money? That makes zero sense.
        tokenizerrr 9y ago
        You are talking about server costs. Get a server at for example online.net (not affiliated) for $9/month or cheaper. That server is going to be able to run your card game easily. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on AWS.
        IamCarbonMan 9y ago
        You don't know what my site requires, so you're assuming that whatever hosting you just randomly want to assume is sufficient is enough and so you can discredit my legitimate idea for a possible way to get the required cost to run my site, and possibly also make a little profit. Would you rather have me borrow user's time and attention with ads, or bottom a few of their precious millions of CPU cycles per second? And in case you didn't read what I wrote, I'm not "stealing" anything. The site will be hosted either way, if I have to pay for it out of pocket at a loss then fine. But if people would like to donate CPU time to support the project, there is an off-by-default option to do so, just like there's an off-by-default option to donate money. I fail to see how this is evil.
        tokenizerrr 9y ago
        Ads obviously, as long as you're not using them to spread different kind of malware. It doesn't matter that much to me personally, I'll be blocking whatever garbage you put out anyway, but ads are objectively the better choice as they dont needlessly wreck the environment any further, nor cause unnecessary wear and tear on the hardware of your users. Anyway, I'd be very interested in hearing how a card game simulator requires more than 8gb of memory and a decent cpu.
    - drusepth 9y ago
      What about what he said implies he's doing it in a scummy way? Something like this, opt in and transparent, would be much preferred over microtransactions or ads, IMO.
  - detaro 9y ago
    In the discussion yesterday I estimated 2-5 cents per 24 hours of mining on a users machine (based on quoted hashrates and current prices). That's really not much, even if people actively let it run to help and there is a medium efficiency gain to have somewhere.
  - doguozkan 9y ago
    I think this would be fine as long as you have the users' consent. I suppose you could even give out rewards to players based on how much they contribute. I see this model in a lot of Android games nowadays (although with ads), you are asked to look at an ad/watch a 30 second video, and in return you get a small amount of in-game currency otherwise only obtainable through spending money.
- Gaelan 9y ago
  They’re mining Monero.
mobiletelephone 9y ago
No it won't. If everyone is mining more efficiently then the difficulty will rise.
- benchaney 9y ago
  Most miners already use GPUs (or ASICs depending on the coin). WebGL would let websites get a relatively larger piece of the pie from dedicated miners.
- IamCarbonMan 9y ago
  As it always is with cryptocurrency. It's not sustainable, but at the moment a wasm + WebGL solution is better than plain JS. That's all I meant.

I don't know what they would have to be mining to make cpu's or integrated GPU's make sense, certainly not bitcoin where even if you pay nothing for electricity to are unlikely to be able to do any useful work in the time someone visits your site.

IamCarbonMan 9y ago
PirateBay probably won't make any money. I'm considering adding this to an online game, which would probably generate a modest income. Video and social media sites could definitely benefit as well.
- tokenizerrr 9y ago
  What game is that? I want to be sure to avoid it if you are planning such scummy tactics.
  - IamCarbonMan 9y ago
    It's a card game simulator I have yet to publish. I don't really have a lot of money for server uptime, so it's either ads or this. And it won't be on by default. I'm simply offering users a way to support the site if they like using it, without having to view ads or pay directly (it may or may not affect their electricity bill I guess, but to most people an online game using some extra CPU isn't going to have much impact on them at all).
    - tokenizerrr 9y ago
      You can't afford $9/month? Don't bother implementing this feature and you earned a few months of uptime.
      - IamCarbonMan 9y ago
        None of that comment even close to makes sense. 1. My operating costs are more than $9/month. I don't know where you got that presumed feature but it's wrong. 2. There's nothing to implement. You include a library and a few lines of code to start it and you're done. 3. How would not doing something that could potentially make me money, even if only a little bit, save me money? That makes zero sense.
        tokenizerrr 9y ago
        You are talking about server costs. Get a server at for example online.net (not affiliated) for $9/month or cheaper. That server is going to be able to run your card game easily. You don't need to spend hundreds of dollars on AWS.
        IamCarbonMan 9y ago
        You don't know what my site requires, so you're assuming that whatever hosting you just randomly want to assume is sufficient is enough and so you can discredit my legitimate idea for a possible way to get the required cost to run my site, and possibly also make a little profit. Would you rather have me borrow user's time and attention with ads, or bottom a few of their precious millions of CPU cycles per second? And in case you didn't read what I wrote, I'm not "stealing" anything. The site will be hosted either way, if I have to pay for it out of pocket at a loss then fine. But if people would like to donate CPU time to support the project, there is an off-by-default option to do so, just like there's an off-by-default option to donate money. I fail to see how this is evil.
        tokenizerrr 9y ago
        Ads obviously, as long as you're not using them to spread different kind of malware. It doesn't matter that much to me personally, I'll be blocking whatever garbage you put out anyway, but ads are objectively the better choice as they dont needlessly wreck the environment any further, nor cause unnecessary wear and tear on the hardware of your users. Anyway, I'd be very interested in hearing how a card game simulator requires more than 8gb of memory and a decent cpu.
  - drusepth 9y ago
    What about what he said implies he's doing it in a scummy way? Something like this, opt in and transparent, would be much preferred over microtransactions or ads, IMO.
- detaro 9y ago
  In the discussion yesterday I estimated 2-5 cents per 24 hours of mining on a users machine (based on quoted hashrates and current prices). That's really not much, even if people actively let it run to help and there is a medium efficiency gain to have somewhere.
- doguozkan 9y ago
  I think this would be fine as long as you have the users' consent. I suppose you could even give out rewards to players based on how much they contribute. I see this model in a lot of Android games nowadays (although with ads), you are asked to look at an ad/watch a 30 second video, and in return you get a small amount of in-game currency otherwise only obtainable through spending money.
Gaelan 9y ago
They’re mining Monero.

mobiletelephone 9y ago

No it won't. If everyone is mining more efficiently then the difficulty will rise.

benchaney 9y ago
Most miners already use GPUs (or ASICs depending on the coin). WebGL would let websites get a relatively larger piece of the pie from dedicated miners.
IamCarbonMan 9y ago
As it always is with cryptocurrency. It's not sustainable, but at the moment a wasm + WebGL solution is better than plain JS. That's all I meant.