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Is there a cryptocurrency bubble? Of. Fucking. Course. Only those who are extremely naive or cryptocurrency zealots could possibly believe otherwise. Now, here
by InclinedPlane 9y ago
Is there a cryptocurrency bubble? Of. Fucking. Course. Only those who are extremely naive or cryptocurrency zealots could possibly believe otherwise.
Now, here's the core problem preventing people from understanding the reality of the bubble: in almost all bubbles there is still a kernel of honest, real value inside the bubble. That's the impetus for the bubble, but it doesn't prevent the bubble from being a bubble. Housing values during the 2000s were based on a strong economy and increasing demand in some fast growing cities. In some places housing values merely plateaued during the financial crisis, in some they never stopped going up. But, of course, across America there was a vast drop in housing values, a huge increase in foreclosures, and a recession that spread across the entire planet. It was a bubble, the bubble popped, bad things happened.
A decade prior to that was the dot-com bubble. Many new internet businesses were growing like crazy, investment and stock valuations had gone off the deep end, leaving rationality behind. Businesses with no prospects for ever turning a profit were having money rained down on them from VCs and IPOs. Then eventually the bills started coming due, people became more skeptical of dubious business plans, venture capital dried up, stocks started getting dumped. Money stopped flowing so freely from investors into ridiculous startups and from there into the rest of the economy. The entire world economy was pushed into severe recession. But, of course, that doesn't mean there was nothing of value inside the dot-com bubble. Amazon cut its teeth in that era, and grew from a fledgling book store into a fulfillment powerhouse expanding into a variety of goods and services. Easily tens if not hundreds of billions of dollars in real honest to goodness value was built by internet companies during the dot-com boom, and many companies weathered the bust just fine, some even getting stronger. Google was born during the recession, in fact, in an era when basically the only way you made it with a dot-com company was to already be turning a profit or to have a very good and well executed idea.
Of course there is real, substantive valuable stuff happening with cryptocurrency. But is that the majority of what's happening? Or is most of the activity, most of the valuations and "market caps" driven by speculative investment? It's pretty clear that it is the latter and that cryptocurrencies are in a huge bubble. And just as with all bubbles, when it pops it's going to be painful. Maybe something of value will survive? But only then will we know for sure what the true, hard-nosed practical value of cryptocurrencies is.
- chrisco255 9y agoGoogle was founded in 1998, the dot com bubble didn't burst until 2001. Google had already established search engine dominance by then.
- topmonk 9y agoI don't think it is a bubble. Everyone seems to equate real estate, stocks, and currency as all the same thing. Unlike the first two, currency increases in intrinsic value the more people believe it has value. So saying that how can bitcoin increase 1000x and still not be overvalued, you have to understand that now (people x perceived value) has had to increase 1000x as well. This means the currency is now accepted 1000x by more people and in greater amounts. This is a snowball effect that won't apply to real estate or stocks, but does apply to currency. Until people see the difference, they are going to be continually blindsided by the increase in value of crypto currency.
- lloyd-christmas 9y agoThis is only true if the people buying it actually think of it and use it as a currency. I own some bitcoin and ether and have never used them as a currency. If its usage is not primarily as a currency, it isn't a currency. I struggle to believe there is more value on a daily basis in transactions of btc for goods and services than there is for "forex".
- topmonk 9y agoI think you're putting the cart before the horse here. The reason that USD is used to buy goods and services is not because everyone woke up one day and began to "think of it and use it as a currency". USD just happens to be the most convenient financial instrument for a lot of people. The more people that own and value BTC, the more convenient it will become to transact with, the more stores that will accept it, and then people will think of it and use it as a currency (if it succeeds, that is). Any item of value is priced according to its future utility. So BTC's price now relates to what it's value as a currency will be, adjusted by the probability it will succeed, in the future. If you don't believe that BTC will ever be used as a currency, then you don't believe in the success of the bitcoin experiment in general, and since that's its only purpose, then of course you would have to conclude its in a bubble. But if you do believe in the success of the experiment, then the price does not seem out of whack at all.