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If they and other companies succed the number of jobs disappearing is going to be massive. Technologically we are almost there, but socially just a few see this

by kartan 9y ago

If they and other companies succed the number of jobs disappearing is going to be massive. Technologically we are almost there, but socially just a few see this coming, and we are not prepared.

henvic 9y ago
You are short-sighted. Would you say the same about the telecommunication industry? Would you say the same about computers (machine), because computers (people) lost their jobs? I recommend you to read Bastiat's famous Candlestick makers' Petition. http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html https://fee.org/articles/the-candlemakers-petition/ https://fee.org/articles/the-candlemakers-petition/
- negamax 9y ago
  This is beautiful. I have never bookmarked anything faster. Will print it and keep on my desk for perspective
- toomuchtodo 9y ago
  > You are short-sighted. Would you say the same about the telecommunication industry? Would you say the same about computers (machine), because computers (people) lost their jobs? I'd say the same about globalization, which is just as powerful as a force as technology advancement; globalization which has driven populist policies and candidates into office. At what point did the guillotines come out in France? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution Displace too many jobs at once, be prepared for revolution if you have not put social policies in place to provide a soft landing for those displaced. EDIT: This is not meant to be inflammatory or political, simply factual. When inequality reaches a tipping point, revolution and violence is inevitable. http://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncovers-grim-correlation-violence-inequality-millennia/ http://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncov...
  - cinquemb 9y ago
    > This is not meant to be inflammatory or political, simply factual. When inequality reaches a tipping point, revolution and violence is inevitable. Don't disagree at all, but if people are coordinating their revolutionary activities with any of the technology that they couldn't learn to leverage to empower themselves when this time comes, I foresee more metadata drone strikes at wedding parties outside of the ME, with a lot less casualties defined as collateral damage, powered by a industry that prefers profits from wars when they have indefinite timelines…
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- kartan 9y ago
  > You are short-sighted. 1. I'm for automating driving, as it will save lives and it is a job that usually requires people to be away from their families for long periods of time (long distance trucks). 2. The industrial revolution, for example, was not more of the same. It changed the world. This kind of change is probably at the same scale. But it has the same risks. My message is: Bring automation, but bring political change with it or it is going to cause a lot of pain and suffering. And yes, I'm short-sighted and that's why I wear glasses. :P "Employers could pay a child less than an adult even though their productivity was comparable; there was no need for strength to operate an industrial machine, and since the industrial system was completely new, there were no experienced adult labourers. This made child labour the labour of choice for manufacturing in the early phases of the Industrial Revolution between the 18th and 19th centuries. In England and Scotland in 1788, two-thirds of the workers in 143 water-powered cotton mills were described as children." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution#Standards_of_living https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution#Standard...
petra 9y ago
I think that many see this coming, but democracy usually needs to be shocked to respond with big changes.
kyriakos 9y ago
jobs are always lost with new technology but its a short term problem. consider how many jobs the computer industry has created and how may it made obsolete..

by kartan 9y ago

If they and other companies succed the number of jobs disappearing is going to be massive. Technologically we are almost there, but socially just a few see this coming, and we are not prepared.

henvic 9y ago

You are short-sighted. Would you say the same about the telecommunication industry? Would you say the same about computers (machine), because computers (people) lost their jobs? I recommend you to read Bastiat's famous Candlestick makers' Petition. http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html http://bastiat.org/en/petition.html https://fee.org/articles/the-candlemakers-petition/ https://fee.org/articles/the-candlemakers-petition/

negamax 9y ago
This is beautiful. I have never bookmarked anything faster. Will print it and keep on my desk for perspective
toomuchtodo 9y ago
> You are short-sighted. Would you say the same about the telecommunication industry? Would you say the same about computers (machine), because computers (people) lost their jobs? I'd say the same about globalization, which is just as powerful as a force as technology advancement; globalization which has driven populist policies and candidates into office. At what point did the guillotines come out in France? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/French_Revolution Displace too many jobs at once, be prepared for revolution if you have not put social policies in place to provide a soft landing for those displaced. EDIT: This is not meant to be inflammatory or political, simply factual. When inequality reaches a tipping point, revolution and violence is inevitable. http://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncovers-grim-correlation-violence-inequality-millennia/ http://news.stanford.edu/2017/01/24/stanford-historian-uncov...
- cinquemb 9y ago
  > This is not meant to be inflammatory or political, simply factual. When inequality reaches a tipping point, revolution and violence is inevitable. Don't disagree at all, but if people are coordinating their revolutionary activities with any of the technology that they couldn't learn to leverage to empower themselves when this time comes, I foresee more metadata drone strikes at wedding parties outside of the ME, with a lot less casualties defined as collateral damage, powered by a industry that prefers profits from wars when they have indefinite timelines…
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kartan 9y ago
> You are short-sighted. 1. I'm for automating driving, as it will save lives and it is a job that usually requires people to be away from their families for long periods of time (long distance trucks). 2. The industrial revolution, for example, was not more of the same. It changed the world. This kind of change is probably at the same scale. But it has the same risks. My message is: Bring automation, but bring political change with it or it is going to cause a lot of pain and suffering. And yes, I'm short-sighted and that's why I wear glasses. :P "Employers could pay a child less than an adult even though their productivity was comparable; there was no need for strength to operate an industrial machine, and since the industrial system was completely new, there were no experienced adult labourers. This made child labour the labour of choice for manufacturing in the early phases of the Industrial Revolution between the 18th and 19th centuries. In England and Scotland in 1788, two-thirds of the workers in 143 water-powered cotton mills were described as children." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution#Standards_of_living https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Industrial_Revolution#Standard...

petra 9y ago

I think that many see this coming, but democracy usually needs to be shocked to respond with big changes.

kyriakos 9y ago

jobs are always lost with new technology but its a short term problem. consider how many jobs the computer industry has created and how may it made obsolete..