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Not OP, but I understand the OPs use of patriarchy as to mean a hierarchical power structure which justifies itself with the claim of protecting the weak, but i

Not OP, but I understand the OPs use of patriarchy as to mean a hierarchical power structure which justifies itself with the claim of protecting the weak, but in the end is just a repressive hierarchy.

eternalban 9y ago
You have been 'well educated' indeed to equate patriarchy with top down control structures. This will make the bitter pill of swapping the dreaded patriarchy with a technocracy, that will most certainly have a 'controlling' interest in intimate matters, much easier to swallow.
- timthelion 9y ago
  I remember a sermon about god and fatherhood in which the pastor explained that god's commands must be followed because god loves us and god wants to protect us. The pastor explained god's wrath towards those who fail to follow him as the wrath of love. As an example, he told how one day his young daughter had run into the street and almost been hit by a truck. Afterwards he hit her repeatedly. He said he hit her, and was angry with her, not becaues he hated her, but because he loved her and wanted to protect her from wanting to run into the streat again. To my mind, this fatherlike aproach to power and control IS the patriarchy: In christianity - god is the father of all men - the pastor is refered to as "father" - the father is refered to as father All of them are there to protect and all of them must be obeyed. And it feels to me that the police are also a kind of father. They are also there to protect and they too must be obeyed. I do see a technocracy as being a patriarchy as well. After all it's not just Xi, but Xi Dada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRo9AMT8FI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRo9AMT8FI And he too is there to protect and he too must be obeyed. Edit: And this is what I hate about HN. I spent time thinking about and writing this post. And the more time you spend writing a comment on HN, the fewer people will read it.
  - eternalban 9y ago
    I would think that any organizational structure for a 'society' entails control mechanisms. And patriarchy predates monothesim. Patriarchy is a contract between the sexes, as a matter of fact. You can flip the sex bit, but there remains a control structure. Just think how oppressive the matriarchy of the beehive must be to those poor little princesses killed in their crib by the ascendant queen mother, not to mention armies of 'drones' working their ass off for the glory of their queen. Naturaly, and it is in fact true, those little princesses had to go bye bye for the greater good of the hive. (& do we really want to discuss the "pedophile" matriarchs of the Bonobos .. :) p.s. I simply can not relate to your notion of the police as father figures.
- anigbrowl 9y ago
  Everyone I disagree with has been indoctrinated; only I can think for myself. Is that right?
  - eternalban 9y ago
    It is not a question of disagreement. OP is repeating a falacy. And when large numbers of otherwise thoughtful people repeat a falacy then "indoctrination" is on the menu of possibilities.
    - anigbrowl 9y ago
      Do please identify this 'falacy' for us.

eternalban 9y ago

You have been 'well educated' indeed to equate patriarchy with top down control structures. This will make the bitter pill of swapping the dreaded patriarchy with a technocracy, that will most certainly have a 'controlling' interest in intimate matters, much easier to swallow.

timthelion 9y ago
I remember a sermon about god and fatherhood in which the pastor explained that god's commands must be followed because god loves us and god wants to protect us. The pastor explained god's wrath towards those who fail to follow him as the wrath of love. As an example, he told how one day his young daughter had run into the street and almost been hit by a truck. Afterwards he hit her repeatedly. He said he hit her, and was angry with her, not becaues he hated her, but because he loved her and wanted to protect her from wanting to run into the streat again. To my mind, this fatherlike aproach to power and control IS the patriarchy: In christianity - god is the father of all men - the pastor is refered to as "father" - the father is refered to as father All of them are there to protect and all of them must be obeyed. And it feels to me that the police are also a kind of father. They are also there to protect and they too must be obeyed. I do see a technocracy as being a patriarchy as well. After all it's not just Xi, but Xi Dada: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRo9AMT8FI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PnRo9AMT8FI And he too is there to protect and he too must be obeyed. Edit: And this is what I hate about HN. I spent time thinking about and writing this post. And the more time you spend writing a comment on HN, the fewer people will read it.
- eternalban 9y ago
  I would think that any organizational structure for a 'society' entails control mechanisms. And patriarchy predates monothesim. Patriarchy is a contract between the sexes, as a matter of fact. You can flip the sex bit, but there remains a control structure. Just think how oppressive the matriarchy of the beehive must be to those poor little princesses killed in their crib by the ascendant queen mother, not to mention armies of 'drones' working their ass off for the glory of their queen. Naturaly, and it is in fact true, those little princesses had to go bye bye for the greater good of the hive. (& do we really want to discuss the "pedophile" matriarchs of the Bonobos .. :) p.s. I simply can not relate to your notion of the police as father figures.
anigbrowl 9y ago
Everyone I disagree with has been indoctrinated; only I can think for myself. Is that right?
- eternalban 9y ago
  It is not a question of disagreement. OP is repeating a falacy. And when large numbers of otherwise thoughtful people repeat a falacy then "indoctrination" is on the menu of possibilities.
  - anigbrowl 9y ago
    Do please identify this 'falacy' for us.