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ASK HN: Does Apple store the facerecognition images on their platform?

7 points by GrumpyNl 9y ago

If they do, they have your personal info and an image of your face ( several ). I cant even start to explain the dangers and power they gain with this.

johneth 9y ago
Define 'platform'. Do you mean on their servers? If you do, then no, they don't. If you mean on the device itself, then yes, they do. They do it in such a way that it is inaccessible (using the secure enclave).
- GrumpyNl 9y ago
  I meant on their servers.
  - GrumpyNl 9y ago
    But you are absolutely sure those images are never send to their servers?
onion2k 9y ago
I cant even start to explain the dangers and power they gain with this. I'm not sure they'd gain anything. If a user has Facebook or Instagram (or any social network really) on their phone, which most do, then Apple has access to a corpus of personal information and face images that's big enough to build a massively detailed picture of someone's life with an accurate biometric model. Apple users, rightly or wrongly, trust Apple not to abuse that information. Likewise Google's users, Facebook, etc. It's too late to be talking about the dangers of letting corporations gain access to personal data and facial biometrics. The question now is how do we protect ourselves and our loved ones in a world where that data, for most people, is out there by default.
narrowtux 9y ago
For unlocking, the data will be stored on the Phone's secure enclave which is locked with your passcode. They say they won't upload it to their servers (which you have to trust them on, because it's hard to see if they do it). However, there's an API for this tech as well and apps could abuse it. I bet they'll introduce a permission request for this though.
simon_acca 9y ago
The answer is no, this concern is addressed in the recent interview to Craig Federighi: https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/interview-apples-craig-federighi-answers-some-burning-questions-about-face-id/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/interview-apples-craig-fed...

7 points by GrumpyNl 9y ago

If they do, they have your personal info and an image of your face ( several ). I cant even start to explain the dangers and power they gain with this.

johneth 9y ago

Define 'platform'. Do you mean on their servers? If you do, then no, they don't. If you mean on the device itself, then yes, they do. They do it in such a way that it is inaccessible (using the secure enclave).

GrumpyNl 9y ago
I meant on their servers.
- GrumpyNl 9y ago
  But you are absolutely sure those images are never send to their servers?

onion2k 9y ago

I cant even start to explain the dangers and power they gain with this. I'm not sure they'd gain anything. If a user has Facebook or Instagram (or any social network really) on their phone, which most do, then Apple has access to a corpus of personal information and face images that's big enough to build a massively detailed picture of someone's life with an accurate biometric model. Apple users, rightly or wrongly, trust Apple not to abuse that information. Likewise Google's users, Facebook, etc. It's too late to be talking about the dangers of letting corporations gain access to personal data and facial biometrics. The question now is how do we protect ourselves and our loved ones in a world where that data, for most people, is out there by default.

narrowtux 9y ago

For unlocking, the data will be stored on the Phone's secure enclave which is locked with your passcode. They say they won't upload it to their servers (which you have to trust them on, because it's hard to see if they do it). However, there's an API for this tech as well and apps could abuse it. I bet they'll introduce a permission request for this though.

simon_acca 9y ago

The answer is no, this concern is addressed in the recent interview to Craig Federighi: https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/interview-apples-craig-federighi-answers-some-burning-questions-about-face-id/amp/ https://techcrunch.com/2017/09/15/interview-apples-craig-fed...