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> Based on the other comments so far, it sounds like HN'ers mostly don't use facebook and don't miss it. Let's just say that the "sour grapes" crowd are much m

> Based on the other comments so far, it sounds like HN'ers mostly don't use facebook and don't miss it. Let's just say that the "sour grapes" crowd are much more likely to pile on to stories like this. Facebook provides me and my friends with immense value, I'm a very happy user, and as long as that value is higher than the annoyances of using Facebook, we will keep using it. The reality is that Facebook's DAU numbers and engagement metrics just keep on rising. A bunch of disillusioned users on this forum is not a negative trend. Facebook's biggest enemy is themselves, because the corporate machine pressures everyone there into change for change's sake, which fuels user fatigue, which in the end will lead to some sort of exodus.

blfr 9y ago
Sour about what? Using Signal instead of Messenger? Facebook's DAU numbers and engagement metrics just keep on rising and OP's *If Facebook makes people unhappy, and the more they use it the unhappier they are, why does usage continue to grow? Not only are more people using it, a higher proportion are checking Facebook at least once a day. are also true of heroin. And no, I'm not saying that Facebook is like an opioid but it just isn't a convincing argument about its value.
xiaoma 9y ago
Zynga also had great DAU numbers while frustrating more and more of its users. Blackhat engagement techniques are strong in the short to medium time horizon. There's so much opportunity for fb if they could just focus on slightly different goals.
tpeo 9y ago
It's not like having and using Facebook is necessarily unfeasible for people who aren't crazy about it, which makes that a bad metaphor. Having a case of "sour grapes" over Facebook makes as much sense as having a case of "sour grapes" over pie. Just go out and buy some if you want. But what makes it a really bad metaphor is that the likelihood of someone using Facebook or not on a daily basis depends on how much value they attach to it. But why would anyone resent others for doing stuff that they don't care about? Now, if you think Facebook provides with you with something of value, good for you. You're using a service and you're happy about it. But that says nothing about the preferences of others.
- speedplane 9y ago
  Agreed. My problems with FB aren't deep rooted or ideological, I used to use it all the time. But now it's gotten so big, and I have so many friends, and friends-of-friends, it feels more like the open internet than a community of my friends. It's hard to manage, but with the right controls and tweaks, they could make it more comfortable again... and I'd start using it again. Kind of a good counter-example: LinkedIn may be much smaller and less loved, but when you post something there, you know it's going out to your work colleagues, and it'll maintain the respective level of discourse. FB is just all over the map.
- henrikschroder 9y ago
  > But that says nothing about the preferences of others. That was exactly my point. OP claimed that it seemed like people on HN weren't using it based on the comments to this thread so far. I'm claiming the opposite, that a majority of HN users are also relatively happy Facebook users, but that those users won't comment on threads like this. Because these threads always attracts the contrarians and turn into a pissing contest about who deleted their FB account first.

blfr 9y ago

Sour about what? Using Signal instead of Messenger? Facebook's DAU numbers and engagement metrics just keep on rising and OP's *If Facebook makes people unhappy, and the more they use it the unhappier they are, why does usage continue to grow? Not only are more people using it, a higher proportion are checking Facebook at least once a day. are also true of heroin. And no, I'm not saying that Facebook is like an opioid but it just isn't a convincing argument about its value.

xiaoma 9y ago

Zynga also had great DAU numbers while frustrating more and more of its users. Blackhat engagement techniques are strong in the short to medium time horizon. There's so much opportunity for fb if they could just focus on slightly different goals.

tpeo 9y ago

It's not like having and using Facebook is necessarily unfeasible for people who aren't crazy about it, which makes that a bad metaphor. Having a case of "sour grapes" over Facebook makes as much sense as having a case of "sour grapes" over pie. Just go out and buy some if you want. But what makes it a really bad metaphor is that the likelihood of someone using Facebook or not on a daily basis depends on how much value they attach to it. But why would anyone resent others for doing stuff that they don't care about? Now, if you think Facebook provides with you with something of value, good for you. You're using a service and you're happy about it. But that says nothing about the preferences of others.

speedplane 9y ago
Agreed. My problems with FB aren't deep rooted or ideological, I used to use it all the time. But now it's gotten so big, and I have so many friends, and friends-of-friends, it feels more like the open internet than a community of my friends. It's hard to manage, but with the right controls and tweaks, they could make it more comfortable again... and I'd start using it again. Kind of a good counter-example: LinkedIn may be much smaller and less loved, but when you post something there, you know it's going out to your work colleagues, and it'll maintain the respective level of discourse. FB is just all over the map.
henrikschroder 9y ago
> But that says nothing about the preferences of others. That was exactly my point. OP claimed that it seemed like people on HN weren't using it based on the comments to this thread so far. I'm claiming the opposite, that a majority of HN users are also relatively happy Facebook users, but that those users won't comment on threads like this. Because these threads always attracts the contrarians and turn into a pissing contest about who deleted their FB account first.