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It's not easy to frame someone successfully, the law is pretty careful about stuff like this. However you could probably get someone fired or develop a bad rep

It's not easy to frame someone successfully, the law is pretty careful about stuff like this. However you could probably get someone fired or develop a bad rep.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago
But that’s the thing, if you get their name in the media, true or not, they’re ruined. People NEVER believe someone accused of These types of crimes are innocent.
aiyodev 9y ago
Just being investigated, losing all electronics, losing your job, losing friends, losing family, living in fear for months is bad enough that a framing is probably considered successful in the eyes of the framer whether or not it results in a trial. It's like you're saying the rape doesn't count if nobody gets pregnant.
- BigJono 9y ago
  And god help you if you find yourself in the media crosshairs at any point. Which is even more likely if you go to trial since "paedophile gets community service/fine" is an absolute slam dunk of a headline and nobody other than the courts are going to give a shit whether you violently raped a kid in a dark alley or had someone download 3 videos on your badly secured wi-fi.
  - giancarlostoro 9y ago
    > or had someone download 3 videos on your badly secured wi-fi. Depends: https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/colorado-springs-man-car-viewing-child-pornography-fort-carson-army-base-sentenced-7 https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/colorado-springs-man-car-...
    - jessaustin 9y ago
      Seems like if he had been using Joe Blow's unsecured wifi rather than the army's, there could have been another defendant in that case?
will_brown 9y ago
These are the easiest laws...namely because they are strict liability laws[1], if pictures exist there is guilt notwithstanding intent which is the common standard in US criminal law. Take a dead body, that could be murder( 1st degree, 2nd, 3rd), manslaughter or even a lawful killing (self defense). But as you will see in the link below even receiving a text can lead to conviction even if you receive it in error and report it. [1]https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/news/congressional-testimony-and-reports/sex-offense-topics/201212-federal-child-pornography-offenses/Chapter_02.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/news/congressio...
mirimir 9y ago
My wife uses a local mail client. So recently, I was helping her find an attachment. And I happened to browse the embedded images folder. She was very surprised ;) Anyway, putting someone on a CP spam list, and then getting them busted, might well do it.
- gscott 9y ago
  The courts have determined that having CP in your browser image history as thumbnails not even full sized images is the same as having seen the full sized images. So popping up a window with a hundred thumbnails is enough to provide evidence to send someone away for life.

It's not easy to frame someone successfully, the law is pretty careful about stuff like this. However you could probably get someone fired or develop a bad rep.

JustSomeNobody 9y ago

But that’s the thing, if you get their name in the media, true or not, they’re ruined. People NEVER believe someone accused of These types of crimes are innocent.

aiyodev 9y ago

Just being investigated, losing all electronics, losing your job, losing friends, losing family, living in fear for months is bad enough that a framing is probably considered successful in the eyes of the framer whether or not it results in a trial. It's like you're saying the rape doesn't count if nobody gets pregnant.

BigJono 9y ago
And god help you if you find yourself in the media crosshairs at any point. Which is even more likely if you go to trial since "paedophile gets community service/fine" is an absolute slam dunk of a headline and nobody other than the courts are going to give a shit whether you violently raped a kid in a dark alley or had someone download 3 videos on your badly secured wi-fi.
- giancarlostoro 9y ago
  > or had someone download 3 videos on your badly secured wi-fi. Depends: https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/colorado-springs-man-car-viewing-child-pornography-fort-carson-army-base-sentenced-7 https://www.justice.gov/usao-co/pr/colorado-springs-man-car-...
  - jessaustin 9y ago
    Seems like if he had been using Joe Blow's unsecured wifi rather than the army's, there could have been another defendant in that case?

will_brown 9y ago

These are the easiest laws...namely because they are strict liability laws[1], if pictures exist there is guilt notwithstanding intent which is the common standard in US criminal law. Take a dead body, that could be murder( 1st degree, 2nd, 3rd), manslaughter or even a lawful killing (self defense). But as you will see in the link below even receiving a text can lead to conviction even if you receive it in error and report it. [1]https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/news/congressional-testimony-and-reports/sex-offense-topics/201212-federal-child-pornography-offenses/Chapter_02.pdf https://www.ussc.gov/sites/default/files/pdf/news/congressio...

mirimir 9y ago

My wife uses a local mail client. So recently, I was helping her find an attachment. And I happened to browse the embedded images folder. She was very surprised ;) Anyway, putting someone on a CP spam list, and then getting them busted, might well do it.

gscott 9y ago
The courts have determined that having CP in your browser image history as thumbnails not even full sized images is the same as having seen the full sized images. So popping up a window with a hundred thumbnails is enough to provide evidence to send someone away for life.