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Should note the sentence here was 30 days + community service.

by ikeboy 9y ago

matt4077 9y ago
I could easily see 30 days in jail being a traumatic experience that could ruins someone's life, especially if jails are as violent as often portrait. It's a complete miscarriage of justice: throwing a minor in jail, using a law supposedly created to protect minors. It could only be more cynical if they tried them as an adult–I didn't check, for fear of what I may discover.
readams 9y ago
The real punishment in cases like this is sex offender registration and a record, which is basically the end of your life.
- ikeboy 9y ago
  He had been required to register as a sex offender for a prior unrelated case.
  - readams 9y ago
    In this case he had a prior registration for something that's unclear but the new sentence also included registration.
gozur88 9y ago
Is he on the sex offender list, though? I'd rather go to jail for a few years than end up on that list.
- ikeboy 9y ago
  A few years is pretty rough, and you'd probably be a felon then anyway. Is that really better than being on a sex offender list?
  - tristor 9y ago
    Yes. In the US being on the sex offender registry has deep negative impacts on getting housing, credit, work, and of course social life. This completely independent of /why/ you're on the registry. A felony does cause some problems getting work, but doesn't really affect anything else.
    - ddingus 9y ago
      Actually it does. A majority of housing is no felon. Work is damn tough, and people get paid bottom dollar. In some places you can't vote. A lot of activities prohibit felons too. Being a coach, for example, isn't a walk in the park. And your traffic stops? Ugh. I know this due to a friend stuck with one. Hanging with the wrong people, group case. First offense. It's pretty brutal. In many States expungement isn't possible on many felony crimes either. Someone who got the message, living right, can't escape it despite the clear reform.
      - gozur88 9y ago
        Okay, but once you get on those registries you're screwed. Can't live within a certain distance of anyplace a child might be. Schools, parks, day care centers. I remember reading an article about a town in Florida where all the sex offenders were literally living in the same apartment complex because it was the only one left after all the circles were drawn on the map. And if you think felons have a hard time getting a job...
        sah2ed 9y ago
        Sounds like this article: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/may/03/owning-trailer-parks-mobile-home-university-investment https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/may/03/owning-...
        ddingus 9y ago
        No argument from me. I just wanted to speak to the felony being a bit more ugly than presented. We need to improve on all of this somehow. It's too much in way too many scenarios to make sense. And the problem is when it's all appropriate. Work to be done here. A lot of it.
TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago
What is this supposed to mean?

Should note the sentence here was 30 days + community service.

by ikeboy 9y ago

Should note the sentence here was 30 days + community service.

I could easily see 30 days in jail being a traumatic experience that could ruins someone's life, especially if jails are as violent as often portrait. It's a complete miscarriage of justice: throwing a minor in jail, using a law supposedly created to protect minors. It could only be more cynical if they tried them as an adult–I didn't check, for fear of what I may discover.

readams 9y ago

The real punishment in cases like this is sex offender registration and a record, which is basically the end of your life.

ikeboy 9y ago
He had been required to register as a sex offender for a prior unrelated case.
- readams 9y ago
  In this case he had a prior registration for something that's unclear but the new sentence also included registration.

gozur88 9y ago

Is he on the sex offender list, though? I'd rather go to jail for a few years than end up on that list.

ikeboy 9y ago
A few years is pretty rough, and you'd probably be a felon then anyway. Is that really better than being on a sex offender list?
- tristor 9y ago
  Yes. In the US being on the sex offender registry has deep negative impacts on getting housing, credit, work, and of course social life. This completely independent of /why/ you're on the registry. A felony does cause some problems getting work, but doesn't really affect anything else.
  - ddingus 9y ago
    Actually it does. A majority of housing is no felon. Work is damn tough, and people get paid bottom dollar. In some places you can't vote. A lot of activities prohibit felons too. Being a coach, for example, isn't a walk in the park. And your traffic stops? Ugh. I know this due to a friend stuck with one. Hanging with the wrong people, group case. First offense. It's pretty brutal. In many States expungement isn't possible on many felony crimes either. Someone who got the message, living right, can't escape it despite the clear reform.
    - gozur88 9y ago
      Okay, but once you get on those registries you're screwed. Can't live within a certain distance of anyplace a child might be. Schools, parks, day care centers. I remember reading an article about a town in Florida where all the sex offenders were literally living in the same apartment complex because it was the only one left after all the circles were drawn on the map. And if you think felons have a hard time getting a job...
      - sah2ed 9y ago
        Sounds like this article: https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/may/03/owning-trailer-parks-mobile-home-university-investment https://www.theguardian.com/lifeandstyle/2015/may/03/owning-...
      - ddingus 9y ago
        No argument from me. I just wanted to speak to the felony being a bit more ugly than presented. We need to improve on all of this somehow. It's too much in way too many scenarios to make sense. And the problem is when it's all appropriate. Work to be done here. A lot of it.

TheSpiceIsLife 9y ago

What is this supposed to mean?